'Road Map' Riles Some Evangelicals

AP ^ | 7/25/03 | Malcolm Foster

[nmh]

Psssst ... in case someone is curious as to what God says about all this ... there will appear to be "peace" but that will be short lived. Bottom line is that no matter what mere human leaders do there will be NO long lasting peace in the middle east. That's what God says ... until the Prince of Peace comes ... .

[dennisw]

The righteous Christian Zionists are smarter than the Jews. Smarter about Islam and what the unending Jihad of Mohammed is all about.

[Salem]

Yoni posted this same one yesterday here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/952911/posts

The comments on this thread are better though.

What irks me the most is that Evangelical Christian support for Israel -- one writer characterized it as "ferocious," which works for me -- in the face of a growing global hostility against Israel, is being demonized and mischaracterized, and Evangelicals who are thus, as holding to an apocalyptic worldview and therefore to be mistrusted and kept at a distance.

The inherrant danger in this should be obvious to anybody, including those who have studied military history as well as having served in any armed forces.

If Israel's supporters (Jew or Christian -- it doesn't matter) in the face of this transparent and reckless slander allow the moral and political support of Israel to be degraded to the point that the lunatics in the Middle East who think they can still take down Israel or the United States are emboldened to do so, "Armageddon" becomes a self fulfilling prophecy when Israel is finally attacked.

That is what is so insidious about this.

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[Alouette]

As an Orthodox Jew, I am grateful for the support of Christian Friends of Israel. Sadly to say, there are some Jews who mistrust their motives, particularly in sponsoring the fine "Nefesh B'Nefesh" program, for which, it is claimed, "They expect Jews to convert to Christianity."

This is completely idiotic. For one thing, most of the Jews who participate in "Nefesh B'Nefesh" have their own scriptural understanding of prophecy. I have the utmost admiration and respect for our Christian supporters, yet one Freeper (now ZOTTED) had the audacity to accuse me of being a "mouthpiece" for "missionaries."

Well, I AM a missionary, but I witness Orthodox Judaism to other Jews. That's a bad thing?

[wideawake]

(It's not exactly a major religious phenomenon sweeping the land, then, is it?)

The fact that there are people willing to vocalize this sentiment is troubling.

The fact that there are people willing to sit there and listen to it without calling them on it is more troubling.

And I suspect that since the Bible is written at an adult level and the Left Behind series is written at third-grade level, more people are taking the word of a sub-dime-story quality novel at face value rather than going through the difficult task of searching the Scriptures.

If book sales are an indication, it is sweeping the land. People are prone to mental laziness by nature.

[BenR2]

The fact that there are people willing to vocalize this sentiment is troubling.

The fact that there are people willing to sit there and listen to it without calling them on it is more troubling.

And I suspect that since the Bible is written at an adult level and the Left Behind series is written at third-grade level, more people are taking the word of a sub-dime-story quality novel at face value rather than going through the difficult task of searching the Scriptures.

If book sales are an indication, it is sweeping the land. People are prone to mental laziness by nature.

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Seems like you are erroneously lumping together those who enjoy the series (myself included) with those who hold the extremist view you spelled out.

They are no more one and the same than those who like baseball (many, many) are the same as diehard Montreal Expo fans (few, few).

You're right: People are lazy, but that doesn't mean Left Behind isn't high entertainment. Certainly more edifying than Harry Potter, etc. (And, people were lazy long before Tim LaHaye started cranking out the LB series.)

[yonif]

good post

[Valin]

Bump for the morning.

[dogbyte12]

Cyrus Scofield almost makes Bill Clinton look noble in comparison. I can't believe that people would follow such a bad apple.

Maybe the jail time, the fraud, the family abandonment made him find the Lord, but he still refused to support his family after he got into the religion business.

[Jeremiah Jr]

Revelation 13

1 And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

[Valin]

You will not be able to predict the time of Jesus' coming...it will truly be like a thief in the night.

When he came the first time, it was foretold in the old testament with a great deal Specificity(if that's the right word). All the religous leaders of the time know exactly where when why...etc it was going to happen...and they were wrong. I have a sneeking suspicion that the samething is true in regard to the second coming.

Eschatology is important to study(like everthing in scripture). But a problem I have is the people I've known that base their faith on this being the "end times".

[Iscool]

Yes thankyou, I do sometimes read the Bible...What's more, I believe what I read...
What we got is a Jewish book...It's written to the Jews and for the Jews...It gives us the Jewish history from beginning to end...
When GOD says to feed and clothe my people and watch over them, we as individuals and as a nation better not do anything but...
Like one fella says, "you may not like the Jews, but you better love 'em..."

[wideawake]

Seems like you are erroneously lumping together those who enjoy the series (myself included) with those who hold the extremist view you spelled out.

Not really. I think I made myself clear earlier when I described what a left Behind cultist was. I never said everyone who read the books was an extremist. Just a poor judge of literature.

They are no more one and the same than those who like baseball (many, many) are the same as diehard Montreal Expo fans (few, few).

Perhaps, but I have never had an Expo fan tell me I was unregenerate if I didn't support their team.

You're right: People are lazy, but that doesn't mean Left Behind isn't high entertainment . . . (And, people were lazy long before Tim LaHaye started cranking out the LB series.)

LB is low entertainment. And I didn't claim that LB made people lazy: to the contrary, Mr. LaHaye saw people's existing intellectual laziness and decided to exploit it for profit.

Certainly more edifying than Harry Potter, etc.

A cartoonish caricature of Bible prophecy isn't edifying. And comparing LB favorably with Harry Potter is pretty easy - the Potter books are also garbage, albeit garbage of a more sinister sort.

On the other hand, the Curious George books are more edifying and more ably written than either LB or HP.

[wideawake]

Maybe the jail time, the fraud, the family abandonment made him find the Lord, but he still refused to support his family after he got into the religion business.

Scofield claimed to have found the Lord in 1879. In 1880 he forged a mortgage document, swindled his former mother-in-law out of $1,300 dollars and despite his larcenous gains, failed to provide for the wife and children he abandoned.

Yet millions of Americans accept his spurious and backward Bible commentary as if it were part of God's Word itself.