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To: Hoplite
>>>>>That's the real world, DTA, and playing your disingenuous little games here on FR ain't going to change a damn bit of it<<<<

Hoplite, the real world is that the fate of Yugoslavia was sealed in the talks between Reagan and Gorbachew in the waters near Malta.

The real world is while James Baker provided overt support to Yugoslavia, tribal chiefs in Yugoslav republics were being given covert message to seccede from Yugoslavia by the end of 1991 or face economic sanctions.

That is the real world. What you are writing is justification after the fact for those who are too lazy or too stupid to check the facts by themselves.

ICTY admitted that Trnopolje hoax was defining moment to form ICTY. You have audacity to call Trnopolje a trick pulled by the Serbs themselves, like Nazi soup kitchens. You further use the fact that obscure LM magazine was the one who exposed the hoax as a proof of it being Serb propaganda.

Why not quote verdict from LM Libel trial? LM was fined for HURTING PENNY MARSCHAL'S FEELINGS, not for printing a lie. It was demonstrated in court that Trnopolje was a hoax.

Yes, the feeling of forgerer are worth $700,000 in the British court (i.e enough to ruin publisher financially), especially when forgerer works for a company whose owners are Carlton Communications, Granada, Daily Mail & General Trust, United Business Media and Reuters each with a 20% shareholding.

How many times Trnoppolje lie was repeated by ITN parent companies?

That's the real world. What you write is International Relations for Dummies.

14 posted on 07/30/2003 2:31:37 PM PDT by DTA
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To: DTA
So let me summarize your points:

1. It's Reagan and Gorbachev's fault.

2. Economic coercion was used to break apart Yugoslvia, complete with a timeline for secession rather than the same economic factors that rendered the rest of Eastern Europe's economies basket cases by 1990 affecting Yugoslavia.

3. The fact that Living Marxism is... let me repeat that name: Living Marxism, is bankrupt due to their inability to support Diechman's article in court is irrelevant - use of said article can be continued regardless of the fate of said rag, and furthermore, one can lie about the ICTY's findings in regards to Trnopolje as if one read them in a foreign language and it merely translated into the opposite of what it says in English.

Trnopolje was also a notoriously brutal camp, although a few witnesses testified that conditions in Trnopolje were more bearable than in Omarska and Keraterm. Food, water, and hygiene facilities were far less than adequate, and violence was pervasive throughout the camp.

or...

As to the characteristics of the Trnopolje camp, the Trial Chamber obtained no evidence that could lead to the conclusion beyond reasonable doubt that the entire camp was fenced off deliberately as such, although parts of it were enclosed by a pre-existing wall. However, "even if there had been just a line on the ground, nobody would have dared cross it", on account of the fact that the camp was guarded on all sided by the army. There were machine-gun nests and well-armed posts pointing their guns towards the camp.

Ergo - no fence equals Club Med.

Got it, thanks.

I suppose it's pointless to add that some of the 200 odd men murdered on Mt. Vlasic in August of 1992 were taken from Trnopolje - just another fact for you and yours to ignore, distort, or flat out lie about.

15 posted on 07/31/2003 5:53:29 PM PDT by Hoplite
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