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What Israel Does To Palestine, We Are Doing To Iraq (Fisk Alert)
Jihad Unspun ^ | Jul 19, 2003 | Robert Fisk

Posted on 07/21/2003 4:34:10 PM PDT by demlosers

A few days ago, the American forces in Baghdad drove 17 truckloads of rubble and dirt up to the secret military area of Baghdad airport to air-freight to the United States. No journalists reported on this macabre operation, even if they knew about it. For the muck came from the site of an atrocity committed by the US Air Force at the end of its bombardment of Iraq.

The Americans believed Saddam Hussein was hiding in a suburb called Mansour and so, despite knowing that the area was packed with civilians - the operation would not be "risk-free", as one of the US spokesmen later claimed, the nearest he acknowledged that it was a gross breach of the Geneva conventions - they dropped "bunker-buster" bombs on the densely packed houses of Mansour. They killed 16 civilians, including children. But where was Saddam? It was a sign of their desperation that almost two months after they occupied Baghdad, the Americans suddenly began scrabbling through the Mansour debris. Back in the United States, scientists would be tasked to hunt for evidence of Saddam's DNA in the dirt.

I'm not sure whether precedents allow others to commit war crimes in the future - or whether a repeat performance allows others to justify past precedents. But does Mansour not remind you of Ariel Sharon's little operation in Gaza a few months ago, when he ordered an Israeli pilot to drop a massive bomb on a crowded Gaza slum, demolishing a building, killing a Hamas official and - by the strange and beautiful symmetry of such atrocities - massacring 16 Palestinian civilians, including many children? We condemned Sharon's slaughter of the innocent, which he called "a great success". But how can we do so now, when we are silent about our own murders in Mansour?

Want to criticise the Israeli army for brutally shooting down stone-throwers in the West Bank and Gaza? Well, we'd better be careful now that the US army does the same in Falujah.

Care to demand an end to the torture of Palestinian prisoners at the notorious Russian Compound interrogation centre in Jerusalem? Not much point any more. With three prisoners beaten or tortured to death by American interrogators at the Bagram prison in Afghanistan - the US admitted to two of the three "deaths under interrogation" back on 6 March - and the scandal of Guatanamo with its trussed-up, drugged and hooded prisons, its drumhead courts and its probable death chambers (for Brits, too, it seems), we can forget Israel's beatings.

Loud were we in our outrage when Israel's indisciplined soldiery looted and vandalised the Palestinian homes of Ramallah last year - but we can complain no more. For now we know that America's indisiplined soldiery (from the 3rd Infantry Division, to be exact) looted their way through Baghdad airport in the days after its capture on 3 April. All praise to Time magazine - of all publications - for breaking this story. But please, no more criticism of Israel's venal soldiers.

Europeans chorused their indignation at Israel's murder of "wanted" Palestinians - or "targeted killing", as Israel and the BBC like to call this revolting practice. Yet now that America openly boasts just the same vile tactics - attacking cars in Yemen, convoys in Iraq, villages in Afghanistan (and just who did they kill in that latest convoy attack near the Syrian border?) - we must be silent.

Last year, the Israelis produced a "dossier" culled from captured Palestinian documents, "proving" that Arafat was directing "terrorism" against Israel. The papers, mistranslated and doctored, proved nothing of the kind. But after Tony Blair's mendacious "dodgy dossier" before the Iraq war, who are we to criticise Israel for its lies?

And how can we ever protest Israel's flagrant violation of UN Resolution 242 and its occupation of Palestinian territory when the United States is occupying the entire ancient land of Iraq after illegally invading the country, killing thousands of its civilians, taking over its oil fields and then failing even to capture the murderous dictator who brutalised his own people (let alone the weapons of mass destruction which don't exist?)

Yes, precedents are dangerous things. Take the signal prescient event that occurred in the life of many Independent readers. A massive construction, symbol of a nation's power, was destroyed by "terrorists". The nation's president immediately signed into law a decree for the "protection of the people and the state", including mass arrests and the right to impose "restrictions on personal liberty ... violations of the privacy of postal ... and telephonic communications and warrants for house searches ..."

The government then said it had "proof" that "terrorists" were going to attack the homeland, to destroy "government buildings, museums ... and essential plants". This legislation then allowed the elected leader of that nation to embark on a series of cruel occupations, after the second of which he announced that "not as tyrants have we come, but as liberators".

The public building destroyed by "terrorists" was the Reichstag, the "enabling legislation" to destroy human rights legislation was signed by Hindenburg, the "proof" of the terrorist plots was provided by the Prussian government. The elected leader who claimed to be "liberating" Austria was Adolf Hitler.

A monstrous parallel, of course; revolting, historically out of all proportion, bizarre. Well, let us hope so.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fisk; iraq; robertfisk
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1 posted on 07/21/2003 4:34:10 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: demlosers
Loud were we in our outrage when Israel's indisciplined soldiery looted and vandalised the Palestinian homes of Ramallah last year - but we can complain no more.

Who is this "we" he is refering to?

2 posted on 07/21/2003 4:37:21 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: demlosers
War is hell, Fiskie.
3 posted on 07/21/2003 4:41:43 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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To: demlosers
The Israelis won the west bank in a defensive war against several Arab armies. That is a fact of history. Why wouldn't Jordan assimilate their own refugees? Why should Israel admit those who seek their extinction?
4 posted on 07/21/2003 4:41:54 PM PDT by roderick
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To: demlosers

Jihad Unspun, huh.

I kind of miss Fisky ever since The Independent made him a pay per view star. Hard to find him now.

5 posted on 07/21/2003 4:42:04 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: demlosers
Still suffering from the shrapnel to the head.
6 posted on 07/21/2003 4:44:25 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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To: Pokey78
Well the people he loves so much almost killed him. Hope he goes back there to join with them and is on the receiving side of:

7 posted on 07/21/2003 4:44:48 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: demlosers
Well, Ms. Fisk, why don't you just pick up a weapon and go fight against Israel or the U.S.?
8 posted on 07/21/2003 4:44:54 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: My2Cents
To paraphrase Tweety-Bird, "I tawt I taw a puddy. I did! I did!"
9 posted on 07/21/2003 4:45:53 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: demlosers
How about Saddam's murders, Mr Fisk?

He cold-bloodedly assassinated about 20,000 of his own citizens a year.

Seems to me we're pikers compared to Saddam.

Also, you mention what the Israelis do to Palastinians, but not what the Palistinians do to Israelis. That's an argument worthy of Noam Chomsky, the master user of heavy one-sided detail to get his opponent to give up. It's a great argument when you're facing people who have no clue, but it won't work here.

D
10 posted on 07/21/2003 4:49:18 PM PDT by daviddennis (Visit amazing.com for protest accounts, video & more!)
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To: daviddennis
" It's a great argument when you're facing people who have no clue, but it won't work here. "

Well 100% of the arab world and 99% of europe will agree with Fisk then.
11 posted on 07/21/2003 4:50:39 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: Texaggie79
Zionist oppressor ping!
12 posted on 07/21/2003 4:53:34 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: demlosers
With three prisoners beaten or tortured to death by American interrogators at the Bagram prison in Afghanistan - the US admitted to two of the three "deaths under interrogation" back on 6 March...

Is there any reliable source that this happened besides Mr. Bizzaro Fisk's word?

13 posted on 07/21/2003 4:56:19 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: Monty22
The Arab world loves to agree with Fisk.

But they still assault him. (See the picture posted elsewhere on this thread).

D
14 posted on 07/21/2003 4:57:31 PM PDT by daviddennis (Visit amazing.com for protest accounts, video & more!)
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To: Pokey78
Yeah, I too missed you posting Fisk's delusional articles.
15 posted on 07/21/2003 4:58:26 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: Paul Atreides
Hith weapon ith hith pen.
16 posted on 07/21/2003 5:06:33 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug
LOL!!

I forgot, he's an "artiste."

17 posted on 07/21/2003 5:10:08 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: demlosers; All
A little "opposition research" on the varmint:

The Anti-Israel Rants of Robert Fisk
June 2, 1994 by Andrea Levin. The Anti-Israel Rant
of Robert Fisk. Usual fare on cable ...

Robert Fisk's Orwellian Newspeak
... Robert Fisk's Orwellian Newspeak For more than two decades, journalist Robert Fisk
has used his correspondent card to proudly become a crusader for Arab and ...

MediaGuardian.co.uk | Press&publishing | BBC man hits back ...
... 3, 2001 BBC world affairs editor John Simpson has hit back at the Independent's Robert
Fisk over his claim that the BBC kow-towed to the Israeli government in ...

Iraq Under Siege Authors
... Robert Fisk. Robert Fisk is an award-winning reporter for The Independent newspaper
in London. As the Independent’s Middle east correspondent since 1976, he ...

Special report on the US and terrorism.
... For three days in a row the London Independent allowed its Middle East correspondent
Robert Fisk to give vent to his anger at the Americans, on its news pages ...


More:

Hashish grows again in the fields of Lebanon [Free Republic]

Lies, hatred and the language of force [Free Republic]

Censorship & Deception, Major Media And Elites

Proof of War Crimes against the Palestinians (Warning: Graphic)

18 posted on 07/21/2003 5:29:05 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old keyboard cowboy, ridin' the trackball into the sunset...)
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To: backhoe
Don't worry Fisk. Us dumb Americans can't even find the Baghdad airport. We didn't even conquer Iraq, we made a wrong turn and went to war with Turkey instead.
19 posted on 07/21/2003 8:04:57 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Pokey78; demlosers
The only reason I open "fisk" threads is to chuckle at that picture.

I knew I could count on someone to post it. Thanks! :)
20 posted on 07/21/2003 8:08:57 PM PDT by Brian S ("Mount up everybody and ride to the sound of the gun!")
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