[101viking]

"Beside the point. In any event, every kid has a right to educated whereever they live. Period"

Beside the point? So in addition to paying increased taxes for social programs that support illegals, as well as for an ineffective, hamstrung, immigration enforcemnet program, it is up to the taxpayers of California to educate those who are here illegally. Why do we even have laws? What kind of society can be built around "selective" politically motivated law enforcement practices? Why is it that as a natural born citizen of the U.S. am I bound to obey the law or suffer the consequences, however if I have come here illegally I am an exception, and am entitled to the benefits that are afforded the citizenry?...Please tell me, why this has no point? Would California be in the budget crisis it is in without giving benefits to illegals? Would coming here be as enticing if those benefits were not extended?

[Torie]

Then agitate to put employers in prison that hire them, and create an indentity card, and a data base, to make forgery very difficult. Absent that, illegals will always be with us. Every industrial democratic nation gives free schooling to all children who live within its bordies. To not do so, is close to a crime against humanity. I will not subscribe to that, and will strenuously oppose it. I will NOT favor any policy making children victims of culture wars, failed public policy, nativist fears, pinch pennies, or anything of that ilk, ever.

[SierraWasp]

"Would California be in the budget crisis it is in without giving benefits to illegals?"

We had that all resolved with Prop 187 till Davis drove it into the courts who in turn, drove it into the ground. Which, in turn, triggered the first recall effort against devious Davis, our failed gubernutcase!!!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Excellent points!