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Split Decision: Supreme court upholds grad policy, strikes Undergrad
MSNBC Live | 06-23-03

Posted on 06/23/2003 7:15:56 AM PDT by Brian S

Supreme Court rules in favor of U. of Michigan Admissions Policy


TOPICS: Breaking News; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; criticalmass; dredscott; education; korematsu; minorities; roevwade; ruling; scotus; uofm
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To: Lysander
Oh man! You are asking someone to actually think? Tell me what would Gore have done?

Mogadishu is all you need to know.

241 posted on 06/23/2003 8:03:28 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A lot of people, deep down, are really shallow.)
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To: Salvation
Typed, or handwritten....?..ballpoint OK..or must it be a fountainpen..or a goosequill?....

Reminds me parenthetically of the old baseball story about the time Ty Cobb got tossed ou of the first game of a double header for cussing at the umpire over a strike call..he comes up to bat in the second game...asks the umop if he can get tossed out for thinking...the ump says no...OK says Cobb.. I THINK you're a ^&^%&(*^$##%&(_!!!!!! and so's your momma...

242 posted on 06/23/2003 8:03:46 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: justshe
Points system in undergrad is unconstitutional. Law school is that race CAN be a factor of consideration....there were NO points attached to the law school 'consideration'.

The racist undergraduate admission method employing a point system is at least honest and upfront in its aims. The law school's method is no less racist and just as damaging--perhaps more so.

What SCOTUS has told the schools is, be as racist as you'd like. Just don't leave a clear record.

It's like ruling that it is cruel and unusual punishment to beat a prisoner to death with a single swipe of a lead pipe, but beating him to death over several hours with a rubber hose is okay.

243 posted on 06/23/2003 8:03:47 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Reagan Man
"I wish Ronald Reagan was still able to speak out with his great wisdom and get people thinking once again."

It's up to us, we are Ronnie's voice now.

We are his legacy.

244 posted on 06/23/2003 8:04:04 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Cuba serĂ¡ libre...soon.)
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To: Brian S
That's too bad.
245 posted on 06/23/2003 8:04:17 AM PDT by Bushfanatic ("I'll tell ya...I'd fly this Presidents wing into hell and know he'd get me back ."--Duke Cunningham)
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To: jackbill
Notice how those briefs fail to argue that racial diversity is NOT a compelling governmental interest (as Ted Olson had wanted them to do.)
246 posted on 06/23/2003 8:04:35 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: arasina
The striking down of a point system should be important. How else can colleges continue to evaluate and rate candidates without their point systems? As a result they will NOT be able to consider race as a factor IF they continue to use a point system.

This is VERY good news.
247 posted on 06/23/2003 8:04:44 AM PDT by finnman69 (!)
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To: deport
and most importantly how this ruling was decided by the President

Don't forget Todd said that Bush COULD decide the SC decision.

248 posted on 06/23/2003 8:05:01 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
"Don't you think you should wait to see what Rush says at 12:00 before you go out on a limb?"

LOL

249 posted on 06/23/2003 8:05:01 AM PDT by MJY1288 (Liberalism is the enemy of Freedom)
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To: dennisw
with respect..want to rethink your last phrase...it shouldn't be an issue...it should be blind to anything...except ability..
250 posted on 06/23/2003 8:05:04 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: Brian S
20 points for being black....12 for a PERFECT SAT SCORE!

You can always STRIVE TO BE SMARTER, but ya can't strive to be blacker. How nice.

251 posted on 06/23/2003 8:05:32 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: TLBSHOW
This doesn't have to do with Bush .. so stop your BS
252 posted on 06/23/2003 8:05:58 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Puppage
In other words, if you're black, there's no need for you to strive at all.
253 posted on 06/23/2003 8:06:26 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Mo1; TLBSHOW
This doesn't have to do with Bush

Who do you think told the Justice Department not to argue that racial diversity is not a compelling interest?

254 posted on 06/23/2003 8:07:28 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Luis Gonzalez
>>>We are his legacy.

Amen, Luis.

255 posted on 06/23/2003 8:07:29 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: aristeides
I thought that too but of late I am in the Twilight Zone it seems! Main Entry: twi·light Pronunciation: 'twI-"lIt Function: noun Usage: often attributive Date: 15th century 2 a : an intermediate state that is not clearly defined b : a period of decline Webster's
256 posted on 06/23/2003 8:07:38 AM PDT by TLBSHOW (The Gift is to See the Truth)
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To: TLBSHOW
BUSH had NOTHING to do with this decision! Wanna express your rage? Call your damn Congressman and Senator and tell them to support the President's nominee's to the USSC and Appeals court and Circuit Courts!

Quit bitching and get off your butt and try and help change what you don't like.

"The longer I live, the more I realize the impact of attitude on life. Attitude, to me, is more important than facts. It is more important than the past, the education, the money, than circumstances, than failure, than successes, than what other people think or say or do. It is more important than appearance, giftedness or skill. It will make or break a company... a church... a home. The remarkable thing is we have a choice everyday regarding the attitude we will embrace for that day. We cannot change our past... we cannot change the fact that people will act in a certain way. We cannot change the inevitable. The only thing we can do is play on the one string we have, and that is our attitude. I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it. And so it is with you... we are in charge of our Attitudes." - Charles Swindoll

257 posted on 06/23/2003 8:07:55 AM PDT by Solson (Our work is the presentation of our capabilities. - Von Goethe)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Luis, I think I love you. :-) Actually, I love how you come up with the perfect reply nearly 100 percent of the time. Are you an attorney? Could we get you nominated to the Supreme Court perhaps?
258 posted on 06/23/2003 8:08:45 AM PDT by arasina (Temporarily tagged out due to renovations.)
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To: Brian S
I'll remember that race can be a factor when I hire someone.

"Sorry, but your college credentials means less to us due to the fact that you might have been accepted to college due to your race and not your academic achievements. You may also have very well been given a pass due to the color of your skin, and we are only accepting smart, educated people, not people having been given a pass."

Translation of the courts: If you are not white, you are too stupid to be accepted into college on your own merits.


259 posted on 06/23/2003 8:08:50 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: Brian S
I haven't read the opinion yet but this first strikes me as a dual edge sword. This could mean white only or black only or red only (or male only, gender will be next) law schools will be legal.
260 posted on 06/23/2003 8:09:21 AM PDT by Hostage
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