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Thinning the Herd Is your weight the government's business?
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Posted on 06/13/2003 1:15:31 PM PDT by swarthyguy
The fattest speaker at a recent conference on obesity was the anti-fat campaigner Kelly Brownell, who never tires of comparing Ronald McDonald to Joe Camel. If pointing to Brownell's gut or his extra chin seems mean, consider how you would feel about a chain-smoking anti-tobacco activist or a slots-playing anti-gambling crusader.
Brownell is not the only portly leader of the fight against obesity. John Banzhaf, the George Washington University law professor who is a conspicuous advocate of suing fast food companies, also could stand to lose more than a few pounds.
But according to Brownell, a psychologist who heads Yale's Center for Eating and Weight Disorders, their girth is not their fault. The problem is the "toxic food environment": Food is too cheap, too tasty, too readily available, and too heavily promoted. In such an environment, Brownell argues, people naturally expand, just like laboratory rats fed a cafeteria-style diet.
"It's very hard to blame [rising obesity] on personal irresponsibility," he asserted at the obesity conference, sponsored by the American Enterprise Institute. "Instead of taking an individual point of view...we need to think of why the nation is overweight."
But a nation does not get fat; individuals do, one sticky bun at a time. The nation cannot eat less and exercise more; only people can, and they will do so only if they're persuaded that the costs in terms of foregone pleasure and extra effort are worth it.
A collectivist mentality leads to collectivist solutions. "We have a real crisis," Brownell declared. "There's a public that needs to be protected, and some bold and decisive action is going to be necessary." Given such rhetoric, his proposals are remarkably lame: more bike paths, no soda in schools, special taxes on "junk" foods, restrictions on food advertising.
Meanwhile, Brownell rejects measures that would make a real difference. When I suggested (tongue in cheek, I hasten to add) that the government tax people for each pound over their ideal weight, he objected.
Brownell's complaint was not that such a system would be tyrannical because how much you weigh is your business, not the government's. Plainly, he doesn't believe that. Rather, he worried that a weight tax puts too much emphasis on individual responsibility rather than the environment.
So the prices people pay for food are part of the environment that encourages obesity, but the price they pay for being fat is not? It seems Brownell simply does not have the courage of his convictions.
Likewise, John Banzhaf told the Obesity Policy Report, "I don't think the government can order [people] to exercise." Why not? Which is more likely to make Americans thinner: suing McDonald's, or mandatory calisthenics in the public square every morning?
If you assume that slimming us down is a proper goal of government, it's hard to see the objection to policies that show promise of actually working, as opposed to enriching lawyers or making a statement. But perhaps there is something wrong with the assumption.
The main argument for government intervention in this area is that we all pick up the tab for obesity-related disease when treatment is covered by taxpayer-funded health care programs. A recent study in the journal Health Affairs put the total medical cost at $93 billion a year, about half of it covered by Medicaid and Medicare.
But since overweight people tend to die earlier than slim people, they may not use as much health care in old age or draw on Social Security as much. Hence the net financial result could be a wash or, as in the case of smokers, taxpayer savings.
More important, the argument based on taxpayer-funded medical treatment proves too much. This rationale could be used to justify almost any interference in our personal lives, since nearly everything we do carries some risk of injury or disease. As University of Chicago law professor Richard Epstein pointed out at the AEI conference, the public policy problem is the subsidy, not the behavior.
One of Epstein's colleagues at the University of Chicago, economist Tomas Philipson, put weight trends in perspective by showing that Americans have been getting fatter for at least a century because of technological changes that have made food cheaper and work less strenuous. Those changes come with a cost, but on balance they have been tremendously beneficial. "We are better off being fatter and richer," Philipson said. "I would not want to go back."
Jacob Sullum is a senior editor at Reason
TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
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Ha Ha Ha, first the smokers, now the chubbies, cellfone users in cars...now its time for you!
To: Madame Dufarge
Ping.
To: swarthyguy
"It's very hard to blame [rising obesity] on personal irresponsibility," he asserted at the obesity conference, sponsored by the American Enterprise Institute. "Instead of taking an individual point of view...we need to think of why the nation is overweight."
It must take a lot of electroshock therapy to make someone this stupid.
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posted on
06/13/2003 1:20:12 PM PDT
by
microgood
(They will all die......most of them.)
To: swarthyguy
" Given such rhetoric, his proposals are remarkably lame: more bike paths, no soda in schools, special taxes on "junk" foods, restrictions on food advertising."
I have a solution. Require that these lamo's and all other obese lawyers, politicians, and professors who are attempting to reglulate food intake to have their jaws wired shut until they reach the appropriate degree of silence I demand. There's entirely too too much noise out here and it is making people sick.
Next lawsuit, comin' up.
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posted on
06/13/2003 1:21:30 PM PDT
by
OpusatFR
(Using pretentious arcane words to buttress your argument means you don't have one)
To: swarthyguy
John Banzhaf was my Torts professor in law school. In my opinion, basically the guy doesn't have a life. Not married. No kids. No social life. Legal activism--of the frivolous nature--is his thing as far as I can tell.
On an interesting note, one of my classmates told me he saw Banzhaf checking out a "Big Butts and Fat Fannies" X-rated video at the video store near campus. (I, of course, can't confirm the story.) I'm confused that he would now be leading the crusade against obesity. Sounds like he might actually be turned on by it. (But that's just my opinion.)
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posted on
06/13/2003 1:22:21 PM PDT
by
Vitamin A
To: swarthyguy
"But according to Brownell...food is too cheap, too tasty, too readily available, and too heavily promoted."
So Mr. Brownell's solution is to make food expensive, bland, difficult to serve and obscure???
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posted on
06/13/2003 1:24:20 PM PDT
by
Exeter
To: swarthyguy
"It's very hard to blame [rising obesity] on personal irresponsibility," It really isn't.
To: microgood
"It's very hard to blame [rising obesity] on personal irresponsibility," he asserted at the obesity conference, sponsored by the American Enterprise Institute. "Instead of taking an individual point of view...we need to think of why the nation is overweight."
Why is the nation overweight? Well, millions of individuals making irresponsible eating decisions will make a whole nation overweight. What is so difficult to understand about that concept?
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posted on
06/13/2003 1:27:56 PM PDT
by
Vitamin A
To: swarthyguy
Seems he should avoid the horizontal stripes too!
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posted on
06/13/2003 1:35:47 PM PDT
by
BigLittle
(Melanoma...No one to be allowed outdoors between 10:30 am & 3:30 PM!!)
To: swarthyguy
.....their girth is not their fault. The problem is the "toxic food environment" Friday Night!!! I'm headed out for some toxins; better call my lawyer.
A guy like this should hopefully fall face down into his linguine!
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To: swarthyguy
A few years ago I was getting a bit, ah, portly, so I decided to loose a bit of weight. Cut back on the beer after work, began to eat the vegetables and salads my wife's been putting in front of me for years. . .
Geez! I've been lookin' good now (even for an old coot), when I could have been rich from a lawsuit instead.
By the way, I still smoke cigarrettes and have noticed smokers are "bad guys" not "victims" - what gives??
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posted on
06/13/2003 1:44:04 PM PDT
by
Roughneck
(Get the U.N. out of the U.S, and get the U.S. out of the U.N.)
To: ThinkDifferent
"It's very hard to blame [rising obesity] on personal irresponsibility," It really isn't.
Henceforth known as the Brownell Poll.......
Another slice of pie Mr. Brownell?
Yes........87.9%
No.........12.1%
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posted on
06/13/2003 1:44:13 PM PDT
by
BigLittle
(Just turn that around and we're on our way Brownie!)
To: Roughneck
>>smokers are "bad guys" not "victims" - what gives??
Some "victims" are more deserving than others.
To: microgood
Or, it's just the long term degenerative effects of teaching the tricks of the trade to class after class of shyster attorneys-to-be.
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posted on
06/13/2003 1:50:14 PM PDT
by
american spirit
(ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION = NATIONAL SUICIDE)
To: Exeter
Mandated nationwide public school cafeteria food for all. . . film at 11. . .
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posted on
06/13/2003 2:06:16 PM PDT
by
Salgak
(don't mind me: the orbital mind control lasers are making me write this. . .)
To: Roughneck
I remember seeing a Yahoooo headline that went along these lines:
"Attention to diet and moderate excercise key to weight control, say Experts." I mean who woulda thunk it? Eat less and work out. Gee. Send someone a Nobel prize!
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posted on
06/13/2003 2:11:48 PM PDT
by
jjm2111
(I'm a psychopatriot!)
To: Exeter
So English food is part of the answer?
To: swarthyguy
"It's very hard to blame [rising obesity] on personal irresponsibility," This man is a genius.
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posted on
06/13/2003 2:13:52 PM PDT
by
jjm2111
(I'm a psychopatriot!)
To: swarthyguy
But according to Brownell, a psychologist who heads Yale's Center for Eating and Weight Disorders, their girth is not their fault. The problem is the "toxic food environment": Food is too cheap, too tasty, too readily available, and too heavily promoted. In such an environment, Brownell argues, people naturally expand, just like laboratory rats fed a cafeteria-style diet. The problem is this fatty can't cram enough into that belly
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