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U.S. says more radioactive material than expected found at Iraqi nuclear site
The Associated Press ^ | 6/5/03 | Mat Kelley

Posted on 06/05/2003 10:50:49 PM PDT by LdSentinal

WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. officials compiling an inventory of a looted Iraqi nuclear site found more radioactive material than they expected, Pentagon officials said Thursday.

It's unclear whether the discovery means the Americans' information was wrong or the Iraqis had moved material to the Tuwaitha site before the war, said three top military and defense officials who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity.

The officials didn't say how much material they expected to be at Tuwaitha or how much more they found.

They said they could not determine if any radioactive material had been stolen from the storage site about 30 miles southeast of Baghdad. Earlier, U.S. officials in Iraq said at least 20 percent of the site's tons of radioactive material was missing.

American forces have collected more than 100 empty metal barrels and five radiological devices by paying $3 bounties for items suspected of having been looted from Tuwaitha, the defense officials said Thursday.

A visit this week by the International Atomic Energy Agency could help clear up the confusion. The IAEA gathered the radioactive material and sealed it at the Tuwaitha storage site after the 1991 Gulf War and has inspected the facility once a year since then. A team of seven IAEA experts is scheduled to begin an assessment at Tuwaitha on Saturday.

The United States had resisted allowing the IAEA officials back into Tuwaitha, which had been the centerpiece of Iraq's nuclear program. Even now, Pentagon officials stress that the IAEA visit is a one-time event to enforce the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, not a weapons inspection that might set a precedent for future U.N. searches for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

American troops and weapons experts will accompany the IAEA officials wherever they go, an arrangement the Pentagon officials said was for safety.

Before the war, IAEA inspectors concluded Iraq didn't have an active nuclear weapons program -- a finding U.S. leaders blame in part for their failure to win broader international support for the war.

The tensions with the IAEA come amid persistent questions about the U.S. hunt for evidence of the nuclear, biological and chemical weapons programs President Bush said he went to war to eliminate. No such weapons of mass destruction have been found, although Bush says the discovery of two trailers crammed with germ-growing equipment proves Iraq had a biological weapons program.

American forces have visited all but a handful of the 20 to 30 other storage sites for radioactive materials in Iraq, but have no plans to allow the IAEA to visit them, U.S. officials said.

Tuwaitha obviously had been picked over by thieves. The fence and 12-foot concrete wall around the three storage buildings for radioactive material had huge gaps and U.S. Marines found the main gate open when they arrived April 7.

Inside, some radioactive material had been scattered around. Radioactivity measurements inside the three buildings found levels two to ten times background levels, a senior U.S. military official in Baghdad said, joining the news briefing via a satellite link.

Local Iraqis have told the Americans that Iraqi soldiers guarding Tuwaitha left on March 10, before the war started, and civilian guards abandoned the site March 20, the day before American ground forces entered Iraq from Kuwait.

Although reporters saw looters inside the radioactive material storage site after the Americans arrived, the defense officials said Thursday they had no evidence of any looting there after April 7. Other looters have been captured elsewhere on the sprawling, 23,000-acre Tuwaitha site, however, they said.

The looting has raised the possibility that terrorist groups could have obtained material for a radiological "dirty bomb" from the site. None of the material at Tuwaitha was of high enough quality to make a nuclear bomb.

Most of the uranium stored at the site is "yellow cake," a slightly processed form of uranium ore the color and consistency of yellow corn meal. Some low-enriched uranium also is stored at the site -- uranium processed to enhance the percentage of the element's isotope that is most useful for nuclear reactor fuel and weapons. That material is not the highly enriched uranium needed for a nuclear bomb.

Some people in the villages surrounding the Tuwaitha site have complained of health problems they blame on radiation exposure. At least some of the barrels looted from the site -- which had been used to store uranium -- were emptied and used to store drinking water.

None of the people who turned in the contraband showed more than background levels of radiation, the military officials said. And none of the equipment was emitting more radiation than slightly above background levels.

The five devices recovered by American forces included measuring equipment and other industrial gear which uses radioactive material such as cesium-137, a military officials said. He said that American officials couldn't be sure all of the recovered material was from Tuwaitha because some of it was unmarked and some had markings obscured.

The Pentagon is sending a medical team to the area to investigate any health effects of the looting.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: army; bushdoctrineunfold; iaea; iraq; looting; marines; nuclear; warlist; wmds; yellowcake
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1 posted on 06/05/2003 10:50:49 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: LdSentinal
Very interesting.

A while ago there were a couple of articles about highly radioactive material having been found by Marines at Al Tuwaitha. Then the UN chimed in that they knew all about it, but I guess they didn't.

This looks to me like a smoking gun. Saddam was not supposed to have nuclear material, except what was sealed by the UN and of course he wasn't supposed to touchthat.

Here is the link to the earlier article, which sounded pretty convincing to me. The Marines found some underground area which the UN didn't know about.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/889087/posts
2 posted on 06/05/2003 11:12:38 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
This looks to me like a smoking gun. Saddam was not supposed to have nuclear material, except what was sealed by the UN and of course he wasn't supposed to touchthat.

Not really.

There's a distinction between nuclear WEAPONS material and nuclear material.

3 posted on 06/05/2003 11:17:28 PM PDT by John H K
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To: FairOpinion
I wonder if Tuwaitha was a centrifuge cascade. They are used to seperate the 238 from the 235. Unless there is another need for the isotopes that Im not aware of, and it was indeed a cascade ala Oak Ridge, then yes, I would agree this is the smoking gun.
4 posted on 06/05/2003 11:19:45 PM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: John H K
"There's a distinction between nuclear WEAPONS material and nuclear material."
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"After a quick inspection at what military authorities call the "Yellowcake Facility" a few hundred meters offsite, the Army specialists told the Marines they suspect Al-Tuwaitha harbors weapons-grade plutonium. "

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/specialreports/iraq/s_128508.html
5 posted on 06/05/2003 11:20:18 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: John H K
What was the enrichment process for the yellowcake for, then? Nuclear medicne? SH could give two sh*ts about medicine.
6 posted on 06/05/2003 11:22:05 PM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: John H K
And here is more:

"Two initial tests -- one by the Marines and the other conducted on April 10 by a scout team from the Pentagon's Defense Threat Reduction Agency -- suggested that the water contained bomb-grade plutonium mixed with uranium from earlier weapons production. They told the Marines to start guarding "Yellow Cake" until a conclusive third test for plutonium could be conducted. "

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/specialreports/iraq/s_132913.html



7 posted on 06/05/2003 11:22:54 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: cardinal4
Well, remember Saddam was buying tubes which could be used in such centrifuges, and that is what people suspected he was trying to do.

http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/disarm/nuclear.htm

8 posted on 06/05/2003 11:29:38 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Ill go to the grave knowing we did the right thing in Iraq. The sad part is we didnt get there sooner.
9 posted on 06/05/2003 11:30:30 PM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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GRRRRRR !!!

although Bush says the discovery of two trailers crammed with germ-growing equipment proves Iraq had a biological weapons program.

"Bush says" ??? How about THE EVIDENCE SAYS !!

"Bush says" implies that he's just saying that, and we're simply to believe his word. It should have been written:

"However, the discovery of two trailers crammed with germ-growing equipment, which have been examined by multiple scientific experts, has proven that Iraq had a biological weapons program."

10 posted on 06/06/2003 12:51:20 AM PDT by BagCamAddict
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To: FairOpinion
*Roger That* !
11 posted on 06/06/2003 1:41:04 AM PDT by ex-Texan (primates capitulards toujours en quete de fromage!)
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To: BagCamAddict
"Bush says" ??? How about THE EVIDENCE SAYS !! "Bush says" implies that he's just saying that, and we're simply to believe his word. It should have been written: "However, the discovery of two trailers crammed with germ-growing equipment, which have been examined by multiple scientific experts, has proven that Iraq had a biological weapons program."

Great observation. Everytime I read an article, I see all sorts of inuendo strewn about, the sole purpose of which is try to knock the administration, Christians, or conservatives.

Another example in this article, although maybe only a minor point, but the word "looting" is used instead of stolen, because looting implies it was done on our watch, it should have been expected and we should have prevented it. It is especially inappropriate when the stuff was stolen or removed prior to us even getting there.

12 posted on 06/06/2003 5:03:14 AM PDT by Go Gordon
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To: LdSentinal
Where is the six loads of French reactor grade material that was delivered to Saddam? Five future Hiroshima's want to know.
13 posted on 06/06/2003 5:30:40 AM PDT by American in Israel (Right beats wrong)
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To: FairOpinion
The area in question has been found to have unbelievable high levels of radioactivity. From certain 'elements' that were NOT ever identified to be at the site.

The UN is about to prove our point. Unwillingly, but none the less, they WILL prove the point.....which is why Blix said that they needed more time and we should give the current searchers more time.......BLIX KNOWS........

14 posted on 06/06/2003 7:36:11 AM PDT by OldFriend (without the brave, there would be no land of the free)
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To: OldFriend
".......BLIX KNOWS........ "
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I think you are right.
Saddam had plenty of money and apparently he spread it around to the right places, and there were many takers.

I read that some documents found in Iraq showed that El Baradei(sp?), the head of the IAEA has been on Saddam's payroll, so why not Blix?
15 posted on 06/06/2003 9:46:13 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: LdSentinal
U.S. says more radioactive material than expected found at Iraqi nuclear site

Nuclear facilities? But the media (including AP) says that there is no evidence of WMDs in Iraq! Nobody's talking out both sides of their mouth here, eh?

16 posted on 06/06/2003 3:11:49 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (No animals were harmed during the making of this post.)
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To: LdSentinal
Related thread here:

IRAQ: Powell Defends Information He Used to Justify Iraq War

17 posted on 06/06/2003 4:46:28 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support our President -- Bush in 2004)
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18 posted on 06/06/2003 4:51:46 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support our President -- Bush in 2004)
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To: OldFriend
"Blix knows."

We all should. Consider:

WARNING: Gathering WMD storm a crock. See what Clinton told nation in 1998...

The Guardian Fully Retracts BOTH Powell/Straw Story AND Wolfowitz "It's All About Oil" Story

CIA convinced truck-trailers held bioweapons labs ^

IRAQ: WMD source 'was senior Iraqi officer'

FAS (Fed Am Scientist) Report: Iraqi Precursor Chemicals Stored Separately for Weapon-side Mixing

THE ROAD ENDS FOR WMD ON WHEELS

Coalition forces enter possible WMD site

Initial tests suggest WMD "cocktail" found in Iraq (**Of special note--post #58, by Archy)

U.S. finds new evidence of Iraqi WMD (NBC training school, antidotes)

Chem-weapons lab believed discovered

BRITS' CHILLING CHEM-NUKE FIND

CAPTURED FOES FOUND WITH CHEM-WAR GEAR

EUPHRATES 'POISONED'

MSNBC - Cyanide & Mustard Agents Found in Euphrates River

Is the Activity at Al Qaim Related to Nuclear Efforts?

U.S. probing nuclear facility (Al Tuwaitha Follow Up)

Team Inspects suspected plutonium site (update by the journalist who broke original story, NEW info)

Underground Nuclear Facility Found in Iraq

Marines hold Iraqi nuclear site built by French

U.S. Marines Guard Secret Iraqi City with Very Hot Nuclear Radiation Levels

And from Freeper "HatSteel":

Terrorist devices, chemical weapons found in Iraq

Suspicious Iraqi Drums - UPDATE

Suspected bioweapons labs found

Searching for Weapons of Mass Destruction, Larry Elder

Iraq's Weapons and the Road to War

Iraqi Scientist Links Weapons to 'Dual Use' Facilities, White House Says

IRAQ: U.S. Analysts Link Iraq Labs to Germ Arms

Illicit Arms Kept Till Eve of War, an Iraqi Scientist Is Said to Assert

Herald Sun: Soldiers find Iraqi chemical 'dump'

***Germany's leading role in arming Iraq

*Germany intercepts (30 tonnes) chemicals (may be used to make nerve gas) for N Korea

New DOD team to hunt for intel as well as weapons

***Chemical Weapons Programs

Capture of chemical expert could help U.S. weapons hunt in Iraq (Emad Husayn Abdulla al-Ani)

Belgium Finds Nerve Gas Ingredient in Letters

Banned missile programme found in Iraq

Administration to Announce 'Rollback' Strategy for WMD

Suspicious Iraqi Drums Preliminary Testing Suggests Chemical Agents; More Testing Needed

2 trailers deemed biological arms labs

***Table 2: Characteristics of Chemical Warfare Agents: Commercial Uses of Chemicals or Precursor Chemicals

******CENTAF IRAQ'S CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS PROGRAM




19 posted on 06/06/2003 4:59:48 PM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: MizSterious
Great collection!

It really is amazing that people ignore this vast amount of evidence and still claim there were no WMD in Iraq.
20 posted on 06/06/2003 7:38:22 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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