What happened in Katanga?

4 June 2003 | Central_Floridian

[Central_Floridian]

I have read in "Noned dare call it treason" by John A. Stormer and on the internet that the UN violently established a communist regime in the Congo in 1962-1963. If anyone knows of proof for or against this and would share their knowledge with me I would be grateful.

[Central_Floridian]

Noned=None. Sorry

[Lucy Lake]

Lots of info on Katanga if you do a Google search.

[El Sordo]

See if you can find the book "A Fearful Master" by G Edward Griffin. He documents it rather well.

[Mark]

I read that book in the early 60's and loaned it or lost it. I can't remember too much now, but I have used it in my tag line for the past few months. The inside cover gave the source for the title and I always thought it was someone like Ben Franklin, but now I saw other sources, so I'm not sure. Heck, maybe my tag line is not exact either.

[fourdeuce82d]

Cehck out "Leopold's Ghost" for deeper background.

[El Sordo]

"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." -- George Washington

[catpuppy]

I believe the correct quote is as follows:

Treason doth never prosper
What's the reason?
For if it prosper
None dare call it treason

[keithtoo]

Your quote is from Ovid, the ancient Greek philosopher.

[wildbill]

Run your google search on Congo and add Patrice Lumumba. He was installed as the leader of the country and was a committed Communist. He died in a plane crash and was memorialized in Moscow by naming the "university" where the Communists trained third world activists in Communist techniques "Patrice Lumumba University."

Many people thought the CIA was responsible for the plane crash. We supported a break-away province of Katanga (where most of the valuable minerals were)during their civil war.

[genefromjersey]

The book you mention is a clever mixture of truth and untruth,and I would read it with a certain amount of caution;but the author is right: The UN did back the Soviet-sponsored Patrice Lumumba by force of arms.

The USA and Britain resisted this ploy : not openly, but more indirectly - "looking the other way" when the breakaway Province of Katanga ( which, yes, had the mineral wealth the Soviets were seeking ) hired mercenaries : recruited from the ranks of US Special Forces, and British SAS, who were " on leave of absence ".

[AveMaria]

>>>He was installed as the leader of the country and was a committed Communist. He died in a plane crash<<<

Actually, Patrice Lumumba was not "installed". He was democratically elected by the people of the Congo in the first and only democratic election in their nation's history.

And he did not die in a plane crash. He was tortured and disfigured, and then executed by a firing squad carried out by Belgian soldiers. That information is available in a book published 5 years ago by a Belgian author, Luddo Witte.

The person who died in the plane crash was former UN Secretary General, Dag Hammersjkold, a Swedish diplomat. It has long been rumoured that the CIA conspired in the murders of both Lumumba and Hammersjkold.

[TEXASPROUD]

Mike Hoare's 5 Commando, The Wild Bunch if ever there was one.

[backhoe]

CIA - The World Factbook 2002 -- Congo, Republic of the
... Colombia Comoros Congo, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Republic of the Cook Islands ... Congo, Republic of the ...
Description: Features map and brief descriptions of geography, economy, government, and people.
more hits from: http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/cf.html  - 94 KB

An MBendi Profile: Congo - Overview
... Congo - Overview General ... Africa Overview Congo is an independent republic with a democratic ... between Gabon and Democratic Republic of Congo (formerly Zaire) and forms part of the ...
Description: An MBendi Profile: Congo - Overview
more hits from: http://www.mbendi.co.za/land/af/co/p0005.htm  - 35 KB

Congo: A Continuing Human Rights Disaster (Human Rights Watch, 2001)
... displaced by ethnic conflict in Eastern Congo © Human Rights Watch, Suliman ... Russia (Chechnya) and Democratic Republic of Congo March 29, 2001, Human Rights Watch Oral ... Backgrounder on the Democratic Republic of the Congo January 31, 2001 Civil Society Under ...
Description: Congo: Focus on Human Rights - Human Rights Watch Publications, reports and other documents
more hits from: http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/congo/  - 15 KB

Heart of Darkness: the Tragedy of the Congo, 1960-67
Heart of Darkness: the Tragedy of the Congo, 1960-67 When Laurent Kabila and his vengeful ... would be the "Democratic Republic of Congo." The Western press either ignored this ... madness that was the Democratic Republic of Congo during the period 1960-1997 sprang in large ...
http://www.worldatwar.net/chandelle/v2/v2n3/congo.html  - 56 KB

Rhodesia
... The Un-American United Nations In the 1960's the UN invaded Katanga (in the Belgium Congo) and foiled that provinces quest for independence from communist murderer and torturer Patrice Lamumba and ...
Description: news and history from Zimbabwe
http://www.eaglesup.com/rhodesia.html  - 33 KB

[genefromjersey]

To be sure ! The very one !

[Central_Floridian]

I have read a considerable amount on the net, but I was looking for some solid evidence one way or the other, and books tend to be more reliable than web sources.

[Central_Floridian]

I will look for that book. Thanks

[Central_Floridian]

Really now? I read in several places that UN forces used USAF airplanes.

[blam]

I have an autographed copy of None Dare Call It Treason and met Stormer years ago in Clear Lake, Texas.

[Central_Floridian]

Could you post a link to some documentation of those charges? That's very interesting.