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1 posted on 05/29/2003 11:32:30 AM PDT by Timesink
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Is that what the mullahs refer to as "a two-veiler"?
54 posted on 05/29/2003 12:36:12 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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SPOTREP
56 posted on 05/29/2003 12:39:30 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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According to that chart behind her she's six feet six inches tall.

I'm calling the Laker's- she's got game!
61 posted on 05/29/2003 12:53:21 PM PDT by IncPen
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Is this a photo of k.d.lang?
64 posted on 05/29/2003 12:55:53 PM PDT by hardhead (Borders, Language, and Culture = The RIGHT things.)
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Just great... a scumbag woman is found guilty of battering a helpless foster child and she gets probation. If she went to jail where she belonged there would not be a question of photo id veils to begin with...she'd be wearing stripes.
73 posted on 05/29/2003 1:13:01 PM PDT by Tamzee (A half-truth is a whole lie .......Yiddish Proverb)
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It kills me that this story has been reported nationally for months, and is known I'm sure to tens of thousands of "credentialed" journalists, and yet it took a few guys at Smokinggun.com, where I bet no degree from Columbia School of Journalism or any other journalism school is to be found, to uncover the fact that the woman is a convicted felon.

Could it be that mainstream liberal journalists are so frightened of using a banned word or holding a banned position (banned according to politically correct thinking, that is), that they can't even ask obvious questions like "Does this woman have something to hide?"

Mustn't question the motives of a member of the "religion of peace." Very bad form in certain circles.

74 posted on 05/29/2003 1:13:05 PM PDT by beckett
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Oh this is priceless...some jailhouse conversion to Islam!!! Some skank trying to get attention!! It all comes together now.
75 posted on 05/29/2003 1:13:55 PM PDT by Ga Rob ("Life's tough...it's even tougher when you're stupid"....The Duke)
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Religion of peace, my @r$e!
80 posted on 05/29/2003 1:41:32 PM PDT by VOA
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Great find! Gee, haven't seen this in the media anywhere. Might on FOX though.
84 posted on 05/29/2003 2:01:45 PM PDT by mewzilla
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Consider the following possibilities:

1. One "Muslim convert" woman forces state to allow her to both drive, and get driver's license, wearing "veil" (mask).

2. Having set this precedent, soon all states will be forced to follow suit(?), for ANY Muslim woman.

3. As a natural progression, Police officers will not be allowed to look at the face of these women, to verify identity.

4. With everything but the eyes covered, it is almost impossible to tell, for certain, whether the person inside the veil/burkah/chador, etc. is either female, or male.

5. There is plenty of room, under there, for a suicide/homicide bomb vest.

6. With the 9-11 terries, we found that they were "religiously" authorized to drink, go to strip joints, etc as a sort of DISGUISE.

7. The end result of this foolish lawsuit could very well be thousands of "young middle-eastern men" going around, in public, wearing a complete disguise, with complete impunity! Absent OTHER "probable cause," they cannot be stopped (and frisked), nor can they be required to take off the veil, for a drivers license check. (Their driver 's license photo would only show a black mask and a couple of eyes, anyway.)

And, the police couldn't single out such veiled people, even for surveillance, because THAT has already been condemned as "racial profiling!"

 

Talk about catch-22.

 

DG

88 posted on 05/29/2003 2:11:36 PM PDT by DoorGunner (DG=Fool, Liar, and sinner, [and apparently doesn't have a "life."] (Non Hæretico Comburendo))
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Sultaana Freeman (formerly Sandra Keller)

Jew? That would figure, since the ACLU is filled with self-hating Jews who love to hurt the religion.

89 posted on 05/29/2003 2:15:02 PM PDT by montag813
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She says she's suing for "religious freedom" --- why doesn't she leave the US for a country like Iran that will REALLY let her practice her religion? She surely won't need to worry about a drivers license there! (Are "devout" Muslim women like her even ALLOWED to drive since they are considered subhuman by many radical Muslim men?)
97 posted on 05/29/2003 3:23:05 PM PDT by arasina (Uh oh! I need a new tag line!)
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...y'all *need* to read this:

Sun Sep 1 00:12:24 CDT 2002  

Ex-Decatur woman fights for veiled photo on license: Florida officials insist on facial identification

By HUEY FREEMAN H&R Staff Writer

Sultaana Freeman applied for a drivers license in Florida after she moved there from Decatur in the spring of 2001.

She was issued a license with a photo of herself with a veil, which she wears because of her Muslim beliefs.

But about one month after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, Freeman received a letter from the state's highway safety and motor vehicles department, requesting that she take another photo for her license -- without the veil, or niqab,
which covers her entire face except for her eyes.

Freeman, 34, refused to take an unveiled photo.

With the backing of the ACLU, she is suing the state of Florida, asking for reinstatement of her driving privileges.

Freeman's lawsuit, which has provided fodder for radio talk shows and editorial writers throughout the nation, cleared its first hurdle when a judge ruled in late June that she can proceed with her case.

Howard Marks, Freeman's attorney, said he is confident she will win when the case is tried next year because the state has to show a compelling interest to continue to deny her a license.

He said it has been a burden on Freeman and her family to forgo driving privileges.

"She would like to take her child with her to do errands," Marks said. "But her religious beliefs are more important to her."

Freeman, 34, who converted to Islam in Decatur about five years ago, declined a request for an interview.

Taqiyyah Abdullah-Shakur, a friend of Freeman's, met her shortly after her conversion.

"When she converted, she didn't veil, but soon after she did," said Abdullah-Shakur, a children services supervisor at a Decatur social services agency. "Almost every time I saw her she was wearing a veil."

Abdullah-Shakur said Freeman, a good friend and "very nice person" who worked at Illinois Power Co. for many years, wears a veil as an indication of her deep faith.

"Each of us has levels of Islam that we travel to," she said. "We all have different levels of learning and faith, and hers is obviously a different level."

Freeman did not have many close friends within the Islamic community, said Abdullah-Shakur.

"She was basically a loner," she said.

A native of Washington, D.C., Freeman's sojourn in Decatur, which lasted at least 12 years, was marred by violence.

She was convicted of aggravated battery after she "caused bodily harm" to twin 3-year-old girls, according to court documents. She was sentenced to 18 months' probation and court costs, completing her probation in January 2001.

In June 1997, Freeman requested an order of protection against a man she said had beaten her with a baseball bat. The man, an ex-convict from Chicago who had "Latin Kings" tattooed on his forearm, claimed that he had married her in an Islamic
wedding, although it was not recognized by the state.

It was also in 1997 that she legally changed her name from Sandra M. Keller to Sultaana LaKiana Myke, court documents show.

She is married to Abdul Maalik Freeman, a Florida man who visited her in Decatur in the months before they were wed. They have a 14-month-old daughter.

Freeman has said the Illinois drivers license she carried when she moved south contained her veiled image.

Beth Kaufman, deputy press secretary for the secretary of state, said the veiled picture was a mistake.

In Illinois, if someone refuses to take a photo on religious grounds, he or she must obtain an approval signature of a minister. The driver is then issued a nonphoto drivers license.

Press secretary Dave Druker said the secretary of state's office is contacting two women in the state who have veiled photos to ask them to either retake their photos or claim religious exemptions.

But Florida law does not provide for religious exemptions, said Robert Sanchez, public information administrator for the state's department of highway safety and motor vehicles.

"The Florida statute plainly states that the drivers license photos should have a full facial view," he said. "She was issued a license that did not have a full facial view by error."

Sanchez said his office was informed of Freeman's veiled license photo by a law enforcement agency in Orlando, near Freeman's Winter Park home.

Of the 14 million drivers in Florida, Sanchez said only one other veiled photo has turned up lately. In the other case, the driver did not respond to her letter and her license was canceled.

Sanchez said one woman was turned away from a Daytona Beach license facility because she wore a head covering that did not fully reveal her face.

"She came back and retracted her head covering to comply with the law so the full face showed, and she got her drivers license," he said.

While Freeman waits for a court ruling that could reinstate her driving privileges, she is acting out of individual religious commitment, rather than Islamic mandate, according to Islamic leaders and scholars.

"It is not necessary to wear the veil," said Lila Fahlman, director of the World Council of Muslim Women, based in Alberta, Canada. "It is an old idea created by men as a way of controlling women. It has been around for centuries. It is the men's way of dominating the women."

Fahlman -- who said she once yanked a veil off a young woman driver because she felt her safety was threatened by the driver's limited vision -- scoffed at the notion that Florida is infringing on Freeman's rights.

"Baloney," she said. "It's not truly a violation of religious freedom. The only time you have to cover your head is when you are in a mosque praying. You never have to cover your face."

Valerie Hoffman, a religious studies professor at the University of Illinois who specializes in Islam, said the majority of Islamic scholars agree a veil is not required.

"I do not understand a convert to Islam within America who insists that the religion mandates that she cover her face," said Hoffman, who has visited most Arab countries and lived in Egypt for four years. "Most Muslims would consider that extreme."

Hoffman said legal scholars agree women are required to cover all but the face, hands and feet in public or in front of strange men. But in all the Islamic world, only women who live in Saudi Arabia and Qatar must cover their faces, because of a minority interpretation of Islamic law.

Sanchez said it is important to police officers for all drivers to carry identifiable photos.

"If you stop a driver and they hand you a license, how do you know that is the same person? A veiled picture might as well be no picture."

While Sanchez said that driving has been ruled a privilege rather than a right by courts, he acknowledges that Freeman's case might change the way things are done in Florida.

"If the court case goes against the state, we might have to make exceptions," he said.

Huey Freeman can be reached at 421-6985.

http://www.herald-review.com/rednews/2002/09/01/build/Local_News/localnews1.php




101 posted on 05/29/2003 4:00:05 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (they died for my freedom; He died for my soul.)
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I think this is just a veiled threat of hers
105 posted on 05/29/2003 4:11:26 PM PDT by metalboy (Hitlery is Hitler)
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Great find! It is amazing how many Freepers have ignored your finding and are caught up in the Islamo veil babble.

She is a child abuser and wanted the veil to hide her identity.

She is one really big and probably very scary person!
110 posted on 05/29/2003 4:26:56 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Time to visit this website and join up: http://www.georgewbush.com/)
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A clear case of a muslim abusing our good will and trusting ways to get away with more crimes.

Typical, but still distainful.

112 posted on 05/29/2003 4:30:05 PM PDT by ChadGore (Frustrate one liberal a day, that's all we ask.)
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she looks like a man
113 posted on 05/29/2003 4:30:16 PM PDT by Taffini (I like Tony Soprano even though he is a fat boy)
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Ahhhh.. the PLOT THICKENS!!!

This should have won the most assinine issue award anyway.... but now that some light is being shed on it all.. it at least makes some kind of sense.. even if it is NONSENSE!
118 posted on 05/29/2003 6:26:01 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife (CNN: where " WE report what WE decide!!")
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122 posted on 05/29/2003 6:46:17 PM PDT by tutstar
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Following her 1997 conversion to Islam, Sultaana Freeman (formerly Sandra Keller) was arrested in Decatur, Illinois for battering a foster child. Freeman, 35, pleaded guilty in 1999 to felony aggravated battery and was sentenced to 18 months probation.

Case: 1998 CF 001472 D 001

Litigant: FREEMAN, SULTAANA

Closed Date: 07/09/1999

Date Remarks

10/05/98 **Complaint filed on 10/01/1998.

10/05/98 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

10/05/98 People by Mr. Sauer. Defendant fails to appear.

10/05/98 Motion for bench warrant.

10/05/98 Hearing set for 10/26/1998 at 09:00 in courtroom 1.

10/05/98 People to send notice.

10/05/98 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

10/19/98 Notice of Hearing on file as of Oct 19, 1998. lb

10/19/98 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

10/26/98 People by Mr. Sauer. Defendant present. Entry of appearance of

10/26/98 Mrs. Waller. Motion for bench warrant denied. Defendant present

10/26/98 pursuant to bond. Defendant's age is 30. Defendant waives

10/26/98 arraignment.

10/26/98 Preliminary hrg set for 11/05/1998 at 10:00 in courtroom 3B.

10/26/98 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

11/05/98 State's Attorney, Mr. Fichter, present. Deft. present

11/05/98 and with counsel, Ms. Waller. Cause called for preliminary hearing.

11/05/98 Sworn evidence heard. Finding there is probable cause

11/05/98 to believe the defendant committed the offenses in the Information.

11/05/98 Pretrial Discovery Order and Answer on file.

11/05/98 Defendant admonished as to his right to be tried and sentenced

11/05/98 in absentia. All motions to be filed by December 18, 1998.

11/05/98 Status hearing set for 11/30/1998 at 01:30 in courtroom 3A.

11/05/98 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

11/30/98 Assistant State's Attorney Jack Ahola present. Defendant

11/30/98 not present. Attorney Ruth Waller present

11/30/98 for Defendant. On motion of the Defendant, case reallotted for

11/30/98 status hearing on January 4, 1999, at 1:30 p.m. in courtroom 3A.

11/30/98 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

01/04/99 Assistant State's Attorney Jack Ahola present. Defendant

01/04/99 not present. Attorney Ruth Waller present

01/04/99 for Defendant. On motion of the Defendant, case reallotted for

01/04/99 status hearing on February 1, 1999 at 1:30 p.m. in courtroom 3A.

01/04/99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

02/01/99 Assistant State's Attorney Jack Ahola present for the People.

02/01/99 Defendant present with counsel, Mrs. Ruth Waller. Agreed Motion to

02/01/99 Withdraw FILED this day. Case is continued for appearance of

02/01/99 Defendant and counsel February 22, 1999, at 1:30 p.m., in

02/01/99 Courtroom 3A.

02/01/99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

02/22/99 Assistant State's Attorney Richard Foote present. Attorney Glenn

02/22/99 Fuller present and enters his appearance for the Defendant.

02/22/99 Case set for status hearing on April 5, 1999 at 1:30 p.m. in

02/22/99 courtroom 3A.

02/22/99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

04/05/99 Assistant State's Attorney Jack Ahola present. Defendant

04/05/99 not present. Attorney Glenn Fuller present

04/05/99 for Defendant. Representation discovery completed. No pending

04/05/99 pretrial motions. Case allotted for pretrial on May 3, 1999

04/05/99 at 3:00 p.m., in Courtroom 3A.

04/05/99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

05/03/99 Assistant State's Attorney Jack Ahola present. Defendant

05/03/99 not present. Attorney Glenn Fuller present

05/03/99 for Defendant. Representation discovery completed. No pending

05/03/99 pretrial motions. Case allotted for pretrial on July 6, 1999

05/03/99 at 3:00 p.m., in Courtroom 3A.

05/03/99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

07/06/99 Assistant State's Attorney Jack Ahola present. Attorney

07/06/99 Glenn Fuller present for Defendant. Defendant not present.

07/06/99 Case set for Dispositional Hearing on July 9, 1999 at 11:00 a.m.

07/06/99 in courtroom 3A.

07/06/99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

07/09/99 Assistant State's Attorney Scott Rueter and Defendant present

07/09/99 with Attorney Glenn Fuller. Information amended to charge the

07/09/99 Class 3 crime of Aggravated Battery. Defendant withdraws not guilty

07/09/99 plea and tenders a plea of guilty. Defendant admonished pursuant to

07/09/99 Supreme Court Rule 402(a). Written jury waiver filed. Court finds

07/09/99 that the admission is knowingly and voluntarily made and that there

07/09/99 is a fact basis for the admission. Judgment of conviction is

07/09/99 entered for the Class 3 crime of Aggravated Battery (Count I).

07/09/99 Counts II and III are dismissed. Court advised regarding Defendant's

07/09/99 prior criminal history. Defendant waives Pre-sentence Report.

07/09/99 Case called for immediate sentence hearing. Defendant is sentenced

07/09/99 to a term of probation for 18 months. Defendant is ordered to pay

07/09/99 a $25 per month probation service fee and court costs. Certificate

07/09/99 of Conditions filed this day. Defendant's cash bail surety is

07/09/99 applied to payment of fines, fees and costs. Balance of fines, fees

07/09/99 and costs to be paid within 60 days. Defendant is advised

07/09/99 regarding her right to appeal.

07/09/99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

01/16/01 Order of Discharge from Probation entered and filed.

01/16/01 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

126 posted on 05/30/2003 10:14:20 AM PDT by Ford Fairlane
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