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"Muslim" Driver's License Woman Is Convicted Child Abuser: See Her UNVEILED (Ulterior Motive?)
The Smoking Gun ^ | May 29, 2003

Posted on 05/29/2003 11:32:30 AM PDT by Timesink

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To: Timesink; All
...y'all *need* to read this:

Sun Sep 1 00:12:24 CDT 2002  

Ex-Decatur woman fights for veiled photo on license: Florida officials insist on facial identification

By HUEY FREEMAN H&R Staff Writer

Sultaana Freeman applied for a drivers license in Florida after she moved there from Decatur in the spring of 2001.

She was issued a license with a photo of herself with a veil, which she wears because of her Muslim beliefs.

But about one month after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, Freeman received a letter from the state's highway safety and motor vehicles department, requesting that she take another photo for her license -- without the veil, or niqab,
which covers her entire face except for her eyes.

Freeman, 34, refused to take an unveiled photo.

With the backing of the ACLU, she is suing the state of Florida, asking for reinstatement of her driving privileges.

Freeman's lawsuit, which has provided fodder for radio talk shows and editorial writers throughout the nation, cleared its first hurdle when a judge ruled in late June that she can proceed with her case.

Howard Marks, Freeman's attorney, said he is confident she will win when the case is tried next year because the state has to show a compelling interest to continue to deny her a license.

He said it has been a burden on Freeman and her family to forgo driving privileges.

"She would like to take her child with her to do errands," Marks said. "But her religious beliefs are more important to her."

Freeman, 34, who converted to Islam in Decatur about five years ago, declined a request for an interview.

Taqiyyah Abdullah-Shakur, a friend of Freeman's, met her shortly after her conversion.

"When she converted, she didn't veil, but soon after she did," said Abdullah-Shakur, a children services supervisor at a Decatur social services agency. "Almost every time I saw her she was wearing a veil."

Abdullah-Shakur said Freeman, a good friend and "very nice person" who worked at Illinois Power Co. for many years, wears a veil as an indication of her deep faith.

"Each of us has levels of Islam that we travel to," she said. "We all have different levels of learning and faith, and hers is obviously a different level."

Freeman did not have many close friends within the Islamic community, said Abdullah-Shakur.

"She was basically a loner," she said.

A native of Washington, D.C., Freeman's sojourn in Decatur, which lasted at least 12 years, was marred by violence.

She was convicted of aggravated battery after she "caused bodily harm" to twin 3-year-old girls, according to court documents. She was sentenced to 18 months' probation and court costs, completing her probation in January 2001.

In June 1997, Freeman requested an order of protection against a man she said had beaten her with a baseball bat. The man, an ex-convict from Chicago who had "Latin Kings" tattooed on his forearm, claimed that he had married her in an Islamic
wedding, although it was not recognized by the state.

It was also in 1997 that she legally changed her name from Sandra M. Keller to Sultaana LaKiana Myke, court documents show.

She is married to Abdul Maalik Freeman, a Florida man who visited her in Decatur in the months before they were wed. They have a 14-month-old daughter.

Freeman has said the Illinois drivers license she carried when she moved south contained her veiled image.

Beth Kaufman, deputy press secretary for the secretary of state, said the veiled picture was a mistake.

In Illinois, if someone refuses to take a photo on religious grounds, he or she must obtain an approval signature of a minister. The driver is then issued a nonphoto drivers license.

Press secretary Dave Druker said the secretary of state's office is contacting two women in the state who have veiled photos to ask them to either retake their photos or claim religious exemptions.

But Florida law does not provide for religious exemptions, said Robert Sanchez, public information administrator for the state's department of highway safety and motor vehicles.

"The Florida statute plainly states that the drivers license photos should have a full facial view," he said. "She was issued a license that did not have a full facial view by error."

Sanchez said his office was informed of Freeman's veiled license photo by a law enforcement agency in Orlando, near Freeman's Winter Park home.

Of the 14 million drivers in Florida, Sanchez said only one other veiled photo has turned up lately. In the other case, the driver did not respond to her letter and her license was canceled.

Sanchez said one woman was turned away from a Daytona Beach license facility because she wore a head covering that did not fully reveal her face.

"She came back and retracted her head covering to comply with the law so the full face showed, and she got her drivers license," he said.

While Freeman waits for a court ruling that could reinstate her driving privileges, she is acting out of individual religious commitment, rather than Islamic mandate, according to Islamic leaders and scholars.

"It is not necessary to wear the veil," said Lila Fahlman, director of the World Council of Muslim Women, based in Alberta, Canada. "It is an old idea created by men as a way of controlling women. It has been around for centuries. It is the men's way of dominating the women."

Fahlman -- who said she once yanked a veil off a young woman driver because she felt her safety was threatened by the driver's limited vision -- scoffed at the notion that Florida is infringing on Freeman's rights.

"Baloney," she said. "It's not truly a violation of religious freedom. The only time you have to cover your head is when you are in a mosque praying. You never have to cover your face."

Valerie Hoffman, a religious studies professor at the University of Illinois who specializes in Islam, said the majority of Islamic scholars agree a veil is not required.

"I do not understand a convert to Islam within America who insists that the religion mandates that she cover her face," said Hoffman, who has visited most Arab countries and lived in Egypt for four years. "Most Muslims would consider that extreme."

Hoffman said legal scholars agree women are required to cover all but the face, hands and feet in public or in front of strange men. But in all the Islamic world, only women who live in Saudi Arabia and Qatar must cover their faces, because of a minority interpretation of Islamic law.

Sanchez said it is important to police officers for all drivers to carry identifiable photos.

"If you stop a driver and they hand you a license, how do you know that is the same person? A veiled picture might as well be no picture."

While Sanchez said that driving has been ruled a privilege rather than a right by courts, he acknowledges that Freeman's case might change the way things are done in Florida.

"If the court case goes against the state, we might have to make exceptions," he said.

Huey Freeman can be reached at 421-6985.

http://www.herald-review.com/rednews/2002/09/01/build/Local_News/localnews1.php




101 posted on 05/29/2003 4:00:05 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (they died for my freedom; He died for my soul.)
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To: riri
It's gotta get hot in Florida wearing that get up.

Unless...umm...nevermind.

102 posted on 05/29/2003 4:02:30 PM PDT by nosofar
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To: george wythe
Thank you, George. Sounds like there's enough difference between this case and the others to make it different. No photo vs. masked photo. We'll see.
103 posted on 05/29/2003 4:08:17 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
"If you stop a driver and they hand you a license, how do you know that is the same person? A veiled picture might as well be no picture."

This argument can be thrown back at the state official.

If a cop stops a veiled driver, how does he know that the unveiled picture in the driver's license matches the veiled driver?

Are cops psychics or are cops going to force a religious woman to unveil at every traffic stop?

Apparently, an unveiled picture is an invitation to further intrusion in the religious freedom of an American, at least during traffic stops, if we follow this state official's logic.

104 posted on 05/29/2003 4:09:02 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: Timesink
I think this is just a veiled threat of hers
105 posted on 05/29/2003 4:11:26 PM PDT by metalboy (Hitlery is Hitler)
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To: savedbygrace
Yes, the cases are slightly different.

What is not different is the fact that Christian fundamentalists have special rights in this country, such as the right to refuse to have their picture taken for a driver's license. How can the cops identify a Christian fundamentalist if his driver's license has no picture?

Another special right for Christian fundamentalist is the right to ride a buggie 5 mph on a highway with a 55 mph without a driver's license and without the required safety orange reflectors, creating significant hazards on the road for both the Christian fundamentalists and drivers observing the 55 mph speed limit.

106 posted on 05/29/2003 4:14:15 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: george wythe
You seem to be hung up on the use of the phrase "Christian fundamentalist". Why is that, George?
107 posted on 05/29/2003 4:19:03 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: savedbygrace
I'd rather use another word, but that's the word used in court opinions and media reports.

Which word would you use to refer to these Christians with special rights?

108 posted on 05/29/2003 4:21:17 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: PetroniDE
What does that mean is simple to understand English? Am I correct or in-correct.

Yes

109 posted on 05/29/2003 4:22:05 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." GWB 9/20/01)
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To: Timesink
Great find! It is amazing how many Freepers have ignored your finding and are caught up in the Islamo veil babble.

She is a child abuser and wanted the veil to hide her identity.

She is one really big and probably very scary person!
110 posted on 05/29/2003 4:26:56 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Time to visit this website and join up: http://www.georgewbush.com/)
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To: metalboy
This woman seems to be searching for a punching bag, as my impression is she has a lot of anger inside her. Hopefully, her neighbors will keep an eye on her little toddler.
111 posted on 05/29/2003 4:28:31 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (they died for my freedom; He died for my soul.)
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To: Timesink
A clear case of a muslim abusing our good will and trusting ways to get away with more crimes.

Typical, but still distainful.

112 posted on 05/29/2003 4:30:05 PM PDT by ChadGore (Frustrate one liberal a day, that's all we ask.)
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To: Timesink
she looks like a man
113 posted on 05/29/2003 4:30:16 PM PDT by Taffini (I like Tony Soprano even though he is a fat boy)
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To: george wythe
No, please tell us what word you'd rather use than the word far-left media writers and blood-sucking lawyers use?
114 posted on 05/29/2003 4:53:32 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: Extremist
Where I grew up, people who wore masks were BAD GUYS!!

Still are. I mean, felony child abuse?

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

115 posted on 05/29/2003 5:21:38 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: dozer7
what better way to not get violated. Put the veil on. just a citizen taking advantage of the islam can't catch me scam. hey it's all about freedom. could go on but just down right tired. take the baton ???

116 posted on 05/29/2003 5:30:44 PM PDT by dozer7
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To: All
Leave the veil on...it will save the taxpayers the money for camera replacement.
117 posted on 05/29/2003 5:42:26 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (Living under a rock is looking better every day.)
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To: Timesink
Ahhhh.. the PLOT THICKENS!!!

This should have won the most assinine issue award anyway.... but now that some light is being shed on it all.. it at least makes some kind of sense.. even if it is NONSENSE!
118 posted on 05/29/2003 6:26:01 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife (CNN: where " WE report what WE decide!!")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
F--- her and the Arabian stallion she rode in on. She just wants her fifteen minutes of fame; she got it; so, as I said at the outset, F--- her and...
119 posted on 05/29/2003 6:34:21 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"Religion of peace." And, apparently, child abuse.

Hey!!! Hasn't it been argued that Mohammed,piss be upon him, was a pedophile? Doing little girls, between camel romps and sheep buggering.

"Religion of peace", my @r$e!!!

120 posted on 05/29/2003 6:40:25 PM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: george wythe
I think that's the Amish. Parsing language screws up your diatribe.

I don't see any Amish on I-95 frankly, driving their buggies, or else I drive so fast that I miss seeing them.
121 posted on 05/29/2003 6:44:08 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Using pretentious arcane words to buttress your argument means you don't have one)
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To: Nightshift
ping
122 posted on 05/29/2003 6:46:17 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: george wythe
  1. The Amish do not get driver's licenses, for reasons that should be stunningly obvious.
  2. Other Muslim women have had their pictures taken. You do not get to make up religious convictions for your own convenience. Think: ulterior motive.

-- 05/29/2003 10:16 AM EDT

Ping to toot my own horn! I'll just be over here doing my prescience dance.

123 posted on 05/29/2003 6:46:53 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: RussRoberts
Driver’s identification rules in Muslim nations:

Saudi Arabia: Women aren't allowed to drive

Iran: Women wear a traditional chador, which does not cover the face.

Egypt: Women do not cover their face in I.D. pictures

United Arab Emirates: Women do not cover their face in I.D. pictures

Oman: Women do not cover their face in I.D. pictures

Kuwait: Women do not cover their face in I.D. pictures

Qatar: Women do not cover their face in I.D. pictures

Bahrain: Women do not cover their face in I.D. pictures

Jordan: Women can drive if their faces are covered but do not cover their face in I.D. pictures
124 posted on 05/29/2003 7:07:17 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: riri
It's gotta get hot in Florida wearing that get up.

I agree. I see Muslim women walking around my area, southern California, and I wonder why they don't drop from heat stroke.

I used to see a group of local high school girls jog past my office window each day. One of them was a Muslim, wearing a long robe and head scarf. Just watching her made me want to faint from the heat.
125 posted on 05/29/2003 7:43:40 PM PDT by redheadtoo
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To: Timesink
Following her 1997 conversion to Islam, Sultaana Freeman (formerly Sandra Keller) was arrested in Decatur, Illinois for battering a foster child. Freeman, 35, pleaded guilty in 1999 to felony aggravated battery and was sentenced to 18 months probation.

Case: 1998 CF 001472 D 001

Litigant: FREEMAN, SULTAANA

Closed Date: 07/09/1999

Date Remarks

10/05/98 **Complaint filed on 10/01/1998.

10/05/98 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

10/05/98 People by Mr. Sauer. Defendant fails to appear.

10/05/98 Motion for bench warrant.

10/05/98 Hearing set for 10/26/1998 at 09:00 in courtroom 1.

10/05/98 People to send notice.

10/05/98 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

10/19/98 Notice of Hearing on file as of Oct 19, 1998. lb

10/19/98 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

10/26/98 People by Mr. Sauer. Defendant present. Entry of appearance of

10/26/98 Mrs. Waller. Motion for bench warrant denied. Defendant present

10/26/98 pursuant to bond. Defendant's age is 30. Defendant waives

10/26/98 arraignment.

10/26/98 Preliminary hrg set for 11/05/1998 at 10:00 in courtroom 3B.

10/26/98 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

11/05/98 State's Attorney, Mr. Fichter, present. Deft. present

11/05/98 and with counsel, Ms. Waller. Cause called for preliminary hearing.

11/05/98 Sworn evidence heard. Finding there is probable cause

11/05/98 to believe the defendant committed the offenses in the Information.

11/05/98 Pretrial Discovery Order and Answer on file.

11/05/98 Defendant admonished as to his right to be tried and sentenced

11/05/98 in absentia. All motions to be filed by December 18, 1998.

11/05/98 Status hearing set for 11/30/1998 at 01:30 in courtroom 3A.

11/05/98 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

11/30/98 Assistant State's Attorney Jack Ahola present. Defendant

11/30/98 not present. Attorney Ruth Waller present

11/30/98 for Defendant. On motion of the Defendant, case reallotted for

11/30/98 status hearing on January 4, 1999, at 1:30 p.m. in courtroom 3A.

11/30/98 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

01/04/99 Assistant State's Attorney Jack Ahola present. Defendant

01/04/99 not present. Attorney Ruth Waller present

01/04/99 for Defendant. On motion of the Defendant, case reallotted for

01/04/99 status hearing on February 1, 1999 at 1:30 p.m. in courtroom 3A.

01/04/99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

02/01/99 Assistant State's Attorney Jack Ahola present for the People.

02/01/99 Defendant present with counsel, Mrs. Ruth Waller. Agreed Motion to

02/01/99 Withdraw FILED this day. Case is continued for appearance of

02/01/99 Defendant and counsel February 22, 1999, at 1:30 p.m., in

02/01/99 Courtroom 3A.

02/01/99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

02/22/99 Assistant State's Attorney Richard Foote present. Attorney Glenn

02/22/99 Fuller present and enters his appearance for the Defendant.

02/22/99 Case set for status hearing on April 5, 1999 at 1:30 p.m. in

02/22/99 courtroom 3A.

02/22/99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

04/05/99 Assistant State's Attorney Jack Ahola present. Defendant

04/05/99 not present. Attorney Glenn Fuller present

04/05/99 for Defendant. Representation discovery completed. No pending

04/05/99 pretrial motions. Case allotted for pretrial on May 3, 1999

04/05/99 at 3:00 p.m., in Courtroom 3A.

04/05/99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

05/03/99 Assistant State's Attorney Jack Ahola present. Defendant

05/03/99 not present. Attorney Glenn Fuller present

05/03/99 for Defendant. Representation discovery completed. No pending

05/03/99 pretrial motions. Case allotted for pretrial on July 6, 1999

05/03/99 at 3:00 p.m., in Courtroom 3A.

05/03/99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

07/06/99 Assistant State's Attorney Jack Ahola present. Attorney

07/06/99 Glenn Fuller present for Defendant. Defendant not present.

07/06/99 Case set for Dispositional Hearing on July 9, 1999 at 11:00 a.m.

07/06/99 in courtroom 3A.

07/06/99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

07/09/99 Assistant State's Attorney Scott Rueter and Defendant present

07/09/99 with Attorney Glenn Fuller. Information amended to charge the

07/09/99 Class 3 crime of Aggravated Battery. Defendant withdraws not guilty

07/09/99 plea and tenders a plea of guilty. Defendant admonished pursuant to

07/09/99 Supreme Court Rule 402(a). Written jury waiver filed. Court finds

07/09/99 that the admission is knowingly and voluntarily made and that there

07/09/99 is a fact basis for the admission. Judgment of conviction is

07/09/99 entered for the Class 3 crime of Aggravated Battery (Count I).

07/09/99 Counts II and III are dismissed. Court advised regarding Defendant's

07/09/99 prior criminal history. Defendant waives Pre-sentence Report.

07/09/99 Case called for immediate sentence hearing. Defendant is sentenced

07/09/99 to a term of probation for 18 months. Defendant is ordered to pay

07/09/99 a $25 per month probation service fee and court costs. Certificate

07/09/99 of Conditions filed this day. Defendant's cash bail surety is

07/09/99 applied to payment of fines, fees and costs. Balance of fines, fees

07/09/99 and costs to be paid within 60 days. Defendant is advised

07/09/99 regarding her right to appeal.

07/09/99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

01/16/01 Order of Discharge from Probation entered and filed.

01/16/01 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

126 posted on 05/30/2003 10:14:20 AM PDT by Ford Fairlane
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To: Timesink
Just another wort on society.
127 posted on 05/30/2003 10:21:04 AM PDT by ampat
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To: Ford Fairlane
She really liked visiting the courthouse ---

1989 TR 013414 D 001 KELLER, SANDRA M 11/22/1967 DRIVING 21-25 MPH ABOVE LIMIT *

1997 OP 000399 P 001 KELLER, SANDRA M __/__/____ *

1997 MR 000209 P 001 KELLER, SANDRA MICHELLE __/__/____ *

1998 CF 001472 D 001 FREEMAN, SULTAANA 11/22/1967 AGG BATTERY/GREAT BODILY HARM *

2000 SC 000207 D 001 FREEMAN, SULTAANA __/__/____ *

2001 CH 000091 D 001 FREEMAN, SULTAANA L F/K/A MYKE, __/__/____ *

1998 TR 025996 D 001 FREEMAN, SULTAANA LAKIANA MYKE 11/22/1967 REGIS EXPIRATION/1ST & 2ND *

2000 SC 000086 D 001 FREEMAN, SULTAANA LIKIANA ET AL __/__/____ *

128 posted on 05/30/2003 10:26:08 AM PDT by Ford Fairlane
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To: OpusatFR
I don't see any Amish on I-95 frankly, driving their buggies, or else I drive so fast that I miss seeing them.
Last week, at a district justice's office just north of here, two Amishmen pulled up in buggies, came out of the snow into the warm and were found guilty of failing to mount state-mandated reflective orange triangles on their carriages.

The fine was $100 apiece.

An hour later, at a district justice's office 10 miles to the north, the routine was repeated, this time with three Amishmen, all found guilty, each fined $100.

Nobody paid up, though.

"We don't think it's too much to impose on these people. It's good enough for everybody else," said Ted Farabaugh, a township supervisor in West Carroll Township, home to many of the Swartzentrubers. "Take away the triangle, and people have less chance to see the buggies. Then, there's going to be a head-on collision, with people trying to avoid them."

In Ohio, the largest single Amish enclave in the world, a study done through the state Department of Transportation and Ohio State University branded the orange reflective triangle "the single most recognizable emblem" to mark slow-moving traffic. That's important, Ohio Highway Patrol Lt. Joel Smith said, since the driver of a 55-mph vehicle bearing down on a 5-mph buggy will see the gap between them close from 500 feet to 44 feet in six seconds.

The new cases, and any more that come along, will be joined in a court fight framing a state traffic code provision as infringing on religious liberties of a small sliver of the state's Amish population, said Witold Walczak, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Greater Pittsburgh Chapter.
The fight centers on a tiny, 88-year-old branch called Swartzentruber Amish, rigid by even mainline Amish standards. While the rest of the Amish spectrum has adopted, sometimes grudgingly, the orange triangles, the Swartzentrubers refuse.

source


129 posted on 05/30/2003 11:43:21 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: savedbygrace
No, please tell us what word you'd rather use than the word far-left media writers and blood-sucking lawyers use?

I guess you don't have any constructive contribution, just trying to nickpick after being shown how wrong you were about fundamentalist Christians getting special rights in this country.

130 posted on 05/30/2003 11:44:56 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: george wythe
Wrong, George. I asked you kindly to post the case info so I could educate myself. Then we got sidelined by your refusal to answer the simple question of why you're hung up on using the phrase Christian fundamentalist (no different, really, than your latest phrase, fundamentalist Christian.)

As for your lame argument about the Amish, that's a non sequitur.

You are confused between "special rights" and applied rights. The Amish have applied the rights that we all have, and haven't been signigicantly "defeated" in their application to date. They've lost some battles in some states, but mostly they've held their own. But you did mischaracterize their use of non-powered vehicles in the vast majority of cases.

Maybe you're jealous because you don't have the courage to take a bold stand for your rights. Instead, you punch your keyboard and make like you're some great scholar, above the fray. Ha.

131 posted on 05/30/2003 2:31:30 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: savedbygrace
I asked you kindly to post the case info so I could educate myself

It is obvious you did not read the case, since you keep making uneducated statements.

I won't bother to answer your uninformed comments anymore.

132 posted on 05/30/2003 2:35:26 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: alisasny
She ain't flying on any aircraft I'm on!!
133 posted on 05/30/2003 2:41:52 PM PDT by HardStarboard
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To: Timesink
It's like deja-vu all over again!
134 posted on 05/30/2003 2:41:56 PM PDT by Prov1322 (Have you thanked God again today that George W. Bush is our President?!)
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To: george wythe
That's rich. Your misrepresentations are so deep they border on lying, George. Anyone can read this thread and see how loose you've been with the truth.

You're doing the forum a favor by not responding. You should take that track on all threads.

135 posted on 05/30/2003 2:43:49 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: Lockbar
All she needs is a beard...
136 posted on 05/30/2003 2:45:24 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: xm177e2
All she needs is a beard...

With that veil on, it's hard to tell whether or not she has a beard.

8-)

137 posted on 06/01/2003 1:16:16 PM PDT by reg45
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To: firebrand; StarFan; Dutchy; stanz; RaceBannon; Cacique; Clemenza; rmlew; NYC GOP Chick; ...
ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent 'general interest' ping list.

138 posted on 06/01/2003 1:19:01 PM PDT by nutmeg (USA: Land of the Free - Thanks to the Brave)
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To: nutmeg
Something about the eyes being the windows to the soul...
139 posted on 06/01/2003 7:47:28 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Alouette
Would the State Department issue a passport to someone with a bag on her head?

State doesn't issue passports to visitors it issues visa's. Don't know if they require a photo. I would not doubt that the Muslim countries issue THEIR passports with the women being burka'ed.
140 posted on 06/01/2003 7:53:11 PM PDT by Kozak (" No mans life liberty or property is safe when the legislature is in session." Mark Twain)
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To: Rummyfan
Fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down?

++

I hear she's got ten-foot pole marks all over her chest.
141 posted on 06/02/2003 1:42:35 PM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: nutmeg
Well, now we know that she has something to hide her face in shame about.
142 posted on 06/02/2003 1:43:39 PM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: Living Free in NH
LOL It only took til post #6 for that one!!
143 posted on 06/02/2003 1:45:21 PM PDT by BSunday (My other post is a pulitzer prize)
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To: george wythe
Another special right for Christian fundamentalist is the right to ride a buggie 5 mph on a highway with a 55 mph without a driver's license..

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Nobody calls the Amish "Christian fundamentalists".
144 posted on 06/02/2003 1:51:35 PM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: Tamar1973
"most muslim countries allow women to drive, except countries like Saudi Arabia, which force women to wear the kind of veil that Ms. Freeman wants to freedom to wear here."

Ironic isn't it?

145 posted on 06/02/2003 1:56:09 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Timesink
"Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191)

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)

"Not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (Koran 5:51)

"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)

"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)

"If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them [infidels]" (Koran 8:65).

Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (Koran 9:3)

"Fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5)

Our God tells us to "fight the unbelievers" and "He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them" (Koran 9:14).

"Until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Koran 9:29)

"Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place" (9:39).

"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)

"Murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123)

"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:40)

"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)

"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)

"strike off the heads of the disbelievers" (Koran 47:4)

"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)

"You (i.e. Muslims) will fight wi the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' " (Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177)

The Prophet killed the men of the Jewish tribe Bani Quraiza (some 600 to 800 of them) and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims All the other Jews of Medina were exiled. (Bukhari 5:59:362)

The Prophet had the date-palms of the Jewish tribe of Bani-Al- Nadir burnt and cut down. "It was with Allah's permission" (Koran 59:5)

The Prophet said to Sa'd, :The Bani Quraiza have agreed to accept your verdict" Sa'd said, "Kill all their men and take their women and children as slaves" The Prophet replied, "You have judged according to God's Judgment" (Bukhari 5:59:447)

"The Christians say: The Christ is the son of Allah; "Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:29)

These are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them." (Sura 9:30)

"Unbelievers are those who say: 'God is one of three.' There is but one God. If they do not desist from so saying, those of them that disbelieve shall be sternly punished." (Surah 5:73)

islam, the religion of peace…


Owl_Eagle


”Guns Before Butter.”



146 posted on 06/02/2003 1:59:39 PM PDT by votelife (FREE MIGUEL ESTRADA!)
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To: RussRoberts
"In NONE of these countries are ID pictures done with the face covered. This, in the heartland of Islam."

ROTFL! Obviously this dingbat is unaware that even in the most rigid of Islamic countries, some things just go beyond silly. Good find.

147 posted on 06/02/2003 2:00:50 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Timesink
Leave the burka on. Take a picture of her ass and make her bend over whenever stopped!
148 posted on 06/02/2003 2:07:05 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (POW/MIA - Bring 'em home, or send us back! Semper Fi)
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To: redheadtoo
"I agree. I see Muslim women walking around my area, southern California, and I wonder why they don't drop from heat stroke.

I used to see a group of local high school girls jog past my office window each day. One of them was a Muslim, wearing a long robe and head scarf. Just watching her made me want to faint from the heat."

Actually, I find that I am actually cooler when I cover myself when it is hot than when I wear things like shorts, sleeveless shirts, etc.

Even before Islam came along, people in the deserts would wear flowing robes and cover their heads w/ turbans or veils to keep the sun off them. When I see someone outside in the heat wearing shorts and a t-shirt, I instantly think of a baked potato. (and not to bright to be inviting skin cancer).

As a fellow redhead, you understand the dangers of the sun.
149 posted on 06/02/2003 2:18:18 PM PDT by Tamar1973 ("He who is compassionate to the cruel, ends up being cruel to the compassionate." Chazal,Jewish sage)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
"I do not understand a convert to Islam within America who insists that the religion mandates that she cover her face," said Hoffman, who has visited most Arab countries and lived in Egypt for four years. "Most Muslims would consider that extreme."

I have found that, in general, converts are more zealous than those who were raised from childhood in a particular faith. When you have to make a sacrifice for something, you cherish it more. This is true whether the person is a convert to Islam, Christianity or Judaism.

150 posted on 06/02/2003 2:23:37 PM PDT by Tamar1973 ("He who is compassionate to the cruel, ends up being cruel to the compassionate." Chazal,Jewish sage)
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