A.P.A. Debates Pedophilia, Gender-Identity Disorder, Sexual Sadism

NARTH ^ | 28 May 2003 | Linda Ames Nicolosi

[George W. Bush]

Will the Republicans enlarge their tent to accommodate this group which rightfully belongs to the democrats? Will Horowitz defend the Log Cabin paraphilias?

What? You know they want to. They're just afraid of us stupid voters.

But they don't need to be afraid of garbanzo and his ilk. They want everybody in that Big Tent.

You don't need NAMBLA after all. Just the APA. And in a few years, you can crowd those pedophiles into the Big Tent too. After all, we wouldn't want to jeopardize the cutting of a capital gains tax over some petty sodomy issue. After all, your 12-year-old son might need to be sodomized by his eighth-grade gym teacher. And people like garbanzo carry water for these people whether they're willing to admit it or not. Here at FR, garbanzo has plenty of company.

[Clint N. Suhks]

I'd think you'd embrace the idea of de-listing pedophilia as a sickness. I certainly do. Having sex with children will still be illegal,

Funny thing to assert when the delisting of your pathology prompted the removal of sodomy laws from more than half the states. If it's not a pathology then there's no reason for it to be illegal is there? Slippery slope ain't it?

[Qwerty]

"Just general knowledge of homosexual pathology as it pertains to personal experience with those who have changed, those who want to change and those who are too committed to proving rational behavior wrong for its own sake. I believe you fit into the later."

If the only categories you can think of is those who want to change, those who have changed, and those committed to proving rational behavior wrong... then you need more general knowledge.

But keep trying!

[Clint N. Suhks]

then you need more general knowledge.

Bring it on, educate stupid me.

[George W. Bush]

So where is FR's Sodomy Brigade anyway? This is their cuase after all. Are they just afraid to show up here for fear that the dupes here at FR will finally realize what their agenda actually is?

What a nasty bunch of infiltrators this site has attracted recently.

[George W. Bush]

Why don't you go back to the NAMBLA sites and stop posing as a conservative? Experienced FReepers aren't fooled by your little impersonation act.

[Clint N. Suhks]

So where is FR's Sodomy Brigade anyway?

Hi George, meet sodomite Qwerty, she'd like to see pedophilia removed from the DSM.

[Qwerty]

"Funny thing to assert when the delisting of your pathology prompted the removal of sodomy laws from more than half the states."

Your problem isn't with sodomy per se, is it? Probably most heterosexuals have experienced sodomy... do you believe that should be illegal as well?

Anyway.. I see no reason to outlaw consensual sodomy between adults. If you can't see a difference between pedophilia and consensual sodomy between adults.. well.. it might explain a few things.

"If it's not a pathology then there's no reason for it to be illegal is there? Slippery slope ain't it?"

You're making this very easy. There is a VICTIM involved in pedophilia cases. It doesn't matter if it's a pathology... it's a crime against a child.

[Clint N. Suhks]

What a nasty bunch of infiltrators this site has attracted recently.

Yep...I think the Activists from GLAAD, PFLAG, et al have this site marked.

[Qwerty]

"I think the Activists from GLAAD, PFLAG, et al have this site marked."

That's almost a guarantee that it isn't true. ;-)

[Clint N. Suhks]

Your problem isn't with sodomy per se, is it? Probably most heterosexuals have experienced sodomy... do you believe that should be illegal as well?

What happens in a man/woman relationship is not comparable to your pathology lest we compare it to incest, bestiality and other pathological "forms" of sexuality.

Nice try though.

[Clint N. Suhks]

If you can't see a difference between pedophilia and consensual sodomy between adults.. well.. it might explain a few things.

There's no difference if it's consensual is there?

[Qwerty]

"What happens in a man/woman relationship is not comparable to your pathology lest we compare it to incest, bestiality and other pathological "forms" of sexuality. "

Oh. So heterosexual sodomites are not sodomites? You're so inconsistent, it's sort of sad because you take yourself so seriously.

Nice rationalization though.

[Clint N. Suhks]

There is a VICTIM involved in pedophilia cases. It doesn't matter if it's a pathology... it's a crime against a child.

Only by virtue of arbitrary law, NOT by your standard of consent. You'd have no problem if the age of consent laws were 12 years old then right or are you just a hypocrite?

[Qwerty]

"There's no difference if it's consensual is there?"

I would say there is a world of difference between a 5 year old and a 25 year old, yes.

Hey.. if it's ok for 18 year olds to work in coal mines, why isn't it ok for 8 year olds to work there?

You're usually much better than this. Early for you, I guess.

[Qwerty]

"You'd have no problem if the age of consent laws were 12 years old then right or are you just a hypocrite?"

12 is a bit too young, I think. 18 suits me, as you say it's arbitrary but on the whole it's a good general line for law.

[Clint N. Suhks]

Oh. So heterosexual sodomites are not sodomites? You're so inconsistent, it's sort of sad because you take yourself so seriously.

Sodomites are homosexuals or advocates of homosexuality so yes they can be but in theory no they are not.

Thank you for playing.

[Clint N. Suhks]

12 is a bit too young, I think. 18 suits me, as you say it's arbitrary but on the whole it's a good general line for law.

But if you're only bound by the law then it's all you have. You may disagree with 12 but that wouldn't make it a wrong age would it?

[Qwerty]

"Sodomites are homosexuals or advocates of homosexuality so yes they can be but in theory no they are not."

Better brush up on your vocabularly, it's lacking a bit in an area where I'd assume you were quite well versed.

"Thank you for playing."

You're welcome, Clint. You're still wrong, but at least you're fun.

[Clint N. Suhks]

I would say there is a world of difference between a 5 year old and a 25 year old, yes.

Yes it's called mental capsity to consent. 5 year olds don't have it but some 10-16 year olds do. That was your criteria was it not?