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A.P.A. Debates Pedophilia, Gender-Identity Disorder, Sexual Sadism
NARTH ^ | 28 May 2003 | Linda Ames Nicolosi

Posted on 05/28/2003 8:54:26 AM PDT by Remedy

"Should These Conditions Be Normalized?" : American Psychiatric Association Symposium Debates Whether Pedophilia, Gender-Identity Disorder, Sexual Sadism Should Remain Mental Illnesses

On Monday, May 19th, 2003 in San Francisco, at a symposium hosted by the American Psychiatric Association, several long-recognized categories of mental illness were discussed for possible removal from the upcoming edition of the psychiatric manual of mental disorders.

Among the mental illnesses being debated in the symposium at the APA's annual convention were all the paraphilias--which include pedophilia, exhibitionism, fetishism, transvestism, voyeurism, and sadomasochism.

Also being debated was gender-identity disorder, a condition in which a person feels persistent discomfort with his or her biological sex. Gay activists have long claimed that gender-identity disorder should not be assumed to be abnormal, when, they say, it is usually an expression of healthy prehomosexuality.

Dr Robert Spitzer responded to the symposium as a discussant, urging that the paraphilias and gender-identity disorder be retained in the psychiatric manual.

Disagreeing, Psychiatrist Charles Moser of San Francisco's Institute for the Advanced Study of Human Sexuality and co-author Peggy Kleinplatz of the University of Ottawa presented a paper entitled, "DSM-IV-TR and the Paraphilias: An Argument for Removal." They argued that people whose sexual interests are atypical, culturally forbidden, or religiously proscribed should not, for those reasons, be labeled mentally ill.

First, they say, different societies stigmatize different sexual behaviors. Furthermore, the existing research cannot distinguish people with the paraphilias, they say, from "normophilics" (the term the authors use for people with conventional sexual interests), so there is no reason to diagnose paraphilics as either a distinct group, or psychologically unhealthy.

Besides, Moser and Kleinplatz add, psychiatry has no baseline, theoretical model of what, in fact, constitutes normal and healthy sexuality to which it could compare people whose sexual interests draw them to children or sadism/masochism.

Earlier, in the December 2002 issue of a prestigious journal, the Archives of Sexual Behavior, Moser--along with several other prominent mental-health experts--argued in favor of de-pathologizing pedophilia. Some of the commentators writing in that issue said that there is little or no proof that sex with adults is harmful to minors. Another mental-health expert argued that society should not discriminate against adults who are attracted to children--noting that many beloved authors and public figures throughout history have been high-functioning individuals who could actually be classified as pedophiles.

"Any sexual interest," Moser concluded in his Archives commentary, "can be healthy and life-enhancing."

Psychiatry's Method for Defining "Mental Illness" Has Changed

Moser and Kleinplatz note that the A.P.A. once categorized a condition as a mental illness based on its psychological, emotional or developmental origins, along with the unconscious motivations that were theorized to cause the condition.

But during the last three decades, psychiatry has moved away from reliance on theories of causation--theories which, typically, cannot be verified--and instead sought direct, empirically provable evidence; not of the pathological origins of a condition, but of its disabling effect in the present. Without such evidence for observable distress and disability, a condition is generally not considered to be a mental disorder.

People with "sexually unusual" interests, Moser and Kleinplatz note, may in fact be quite happy and well-adjusted. But the APA's labeling of their conditions as "pathological" fuels social discrimination against them, Moser and Kleinplatz warn, which can lead to distress and discrimination that is psychologically damaging.

Furthermore, they say, since the A.P.A. has no concept of what "healthy sexuality" or even a "healthy personality" actually entails, then how can psychiatry presume to define "unhealthy" sexuality? And since many people engaging in these unusual behaviors are not "distressed" or "disabled" by their interests, how can the A.P.A. justify continuing to pathologize them?

"People with Paraphilic Sexual Interests Suffer Like Homosexuals Did Before the 1973 Decision"

"The situation of the paraphilias at present," Moser and Kleinplatz conclude, "parallels that of homosexuality in the early 1970's."

Following the presentation of the papers at the symposium, Dr. Robert Spitzer responded with a defense based on a concept of natural law, as established by evolution.. Spitzer is the author of a study on change of sexual orientation that he presented at the 2001 American Psychiatric Association convention.

"Dr. Moser is incorrect," Spitzer said, "when he argues that there is no scientific basis for distinguishing the paraphilias from more common sexual behaviors. In all cultures, as children become adolescents, they develop an interest in sexual behavior. That is how we are designed - whether you believe this design is the work of God, or by evolution through natural selection. This design is clearly for the purpose of facilitating pair bonding and interpersonal sexual behavior.

"The paraphilias, when severe, impair interpersonal sexual behavior," Spitzer continued. "Sexual behavior that facilitates caring bonding between people is normal - and that which impairs it is abnormal, not merely an atypical variation. What is needed is more research on the treatment of the paraphilias, particularly pedophilia. To remove them from DSM-V would be the end of this much-needed research."

"More Research" Will Not Provide More Answers

"What is needed is not more research," NARTH's Joseph Nicolosi countered in response to reports describing the symposium. "What psychology really needs for its advancement is not another study, but a more accurate worldview. That worldview must take into account our creator's design, which inevitably involves gender complementarity.

"And," Nicolosi added, "we must agree on those things that genuinely enhance human dignity. It's a measure of how low the psychiatric establishment has sunk, that it would even debate the idea that pedophilia, transvestism, and sado-masochism could ever be expressions of true human flourishing."

Psychoanalyst Johanna Tabin, Ph.D., of NARTH's Scientific Advisory Committee, also commented on the A.P.A. symposium. "If the arguments prevail that are given for ignoring these psychological problems, then suicide attempts must be considered normal when they are desired by the participants. And what about the sociopath, who--having no conscience--feels quite content with himself?"

"Uncommon 'common sense,'" Dr. Tabin added, "is sure to reassert itself--but in the meantime, the mental health professions are failing many suffering individuals by rigidly adopting political correctness as the guide as to when people need help.

"And the saddest thing about the current climate," she added, "is that people who ask for help because they are not at ease with homosexual impulses, right now are frequently forbidden to obtain it."


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To: Remedy
gender-identity disorder should not be assumed to be abnormal, when, they say, it is usually an expression of healthy prehomosexuality.

So, are they moving away from the idea that homosexuals are "born that way"? If there is a prehomosexual condition then either it's a Choice or it's caused by something. If it's caused by something, they should cure it. If it's a choice, it's a bad one.

21 posted on 05/28/2003 9:27:01 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Remedy
The obvious natural purpose of sexuality is reproduction. Nature adds instinct and/or pleasure to encourage reproduction of the species. That follows if you are an atheistic Darwinist as well as a Christian or a Jew.

Because humans take such a long time to develop to maturity, nature encourages the development of families to raise and protect children. That also follows for Darwinists as well as Christians and Jews.

That's why homosexuality, bestiality, and other forms of aberrant behavior have traditionally been considered abnormal. Long experience as well as religious teaching has shown them to be destructive.

Some forms of sexual aberration are probably best tolerated, but should not be encouraged or "normalized" by proclamation. Among such modes of behavior are homosexuality and lesbianism. When practiced privately by consenting adults, they are still probably destructive to those who practice it, but cannot reasonably be prevented entirely.

Pederasty, rape, sadistic cruelty, and the like are not in the same class, because they harm innocent third parties. They must remain forbidden.

A question that arises is whether psychiatry itself has any social or scientific use at this juncture of history. Or should it, like phrenology, be allowed to disappear into the past as a pseudo-scientific craze rather than a true science?
22 posted on 05/28/2003 9:29:38 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Remedy
This is a discussion forum.

Can't you discuss the topic?
23 posted on 05/28/2003 9:32:02 AM PDT by sharktrager (There are 2 kids of people in this world: people with loaded guns and people who dig.)
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To: George W. Bush; Polycarp
Will the Republicans enlarge their tent to accommodate this group which rightfully belongs to the democrats?

Will Horowitz defend the Log Cabin paraphilias?

24 posted on 05/28/2003 9:32:59 AM PDT by Remedy
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To: Right Wing Professor
Oh wow, was he one of the spring breakers in Mexico who after returning home developed his pictures and found that some of the hotel staff had used his camera to take pictures of themselves, include one with that guy's toothbrush stuck....
25 posted on 05/28/2003 9:36:14 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Remedy
But during the last three decades, psychiatry has moved away from reliance on theories of causation...

A "science" that does not recognize the principle of cause and effect.

26 posted on 05/28/2003 9:37:19 AM PDT by Salman
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To: sharktrager
POSTED ON F.R.:
  1. SODOMY: Brief Of The States Of Alabama, South Carolina, And Utah (S.C.O.T.U.S.& Sodomy)
  1. SODOMY : Texas Phys.Resource Council, Christian Med. & Dental Association, Catholic Med.Association
  2. SODOMY : CENTER FOR THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE CONSTITUTION (LAWRENCE v. TEXAS SODOMY BRIEF)
  3. SODOMY : Legislators,State of Texas, Lawrence v. Texas, No. 02-102

Discuss away

27 posted on 05/28/2003 9:40:21 AM PDT by Remedy
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To: Remedy
Among the mental illnesses being debated in the symposium at the APA's annual convention were all the paraphilias--which include pedophilia, exhibitionism, fetishism, transvestism, voyeurism, and sadomasochism.

Oh good. I am finally normal.
28 posted on 05/28/2003 9:40:26 AM PDT by AdA$tra (Tagline maintenance in progress......)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
I'm not going to describe what Kinsey did with a toothbrush. I don't even like to think very much about what Kinsey did with a toothbrush. Read his biography, but not after a full meal. Sick does not begin to describe it.
29 posted on 05/28/2003 9:41:25 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Cicero
Another erudite post. I only have issue with the first line. The obvious natural purpose of "sex" is reproduction.The purpose of sexuality is enjoyment and socialization. Similarly eating is the primary way to prevent starvation, food, cooking and the enjoyment of the same are just more ritual socialization.
30 posted on 05/28/2003 9:42:12 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: Remedy
"Should These Conditions Be Normalized?" : American Psychiatric Association Symposium Debates Whether Pedophilia, Gender-Identity Disorder, Sexual Sadism Should Remain Mental Illnesses

Sure, normalize them - we can call it a case of the aberrations "curing" the Psychiatric industry's inability to cure the aberrations...

31 posted on 05/28/2003 9:43:16 AM PDT by trebb
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To: Cicero

A question that arises is whether psychiatry itself has any social or scientific use at this juncture of history.

Hitler had Goebbels and the Sodomites have the A.P.A.

32 posted on 05/28/2003 9:44:15 AM PDT by Remedy
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To: Right Wing Professor
Uh, yeah. I wish you hadn't reminded me...
33 posted on 05/28/2003 9:45:34 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Remedy
I'll take that as a no
34 posted on 05/28/2003 9:47:04 AM PDT by sharktrager (There are 2 kids of people in this world: people with loaded guns and people who dig.)
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To: sharktrager
If you can't understand the material, just use common sense.
35 posted on 05/28/2003 9:52:17 AM PDT by Remedy
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To: Remedy
I see the APA morons are still at it. First they said adult/child sex was OK and wasn't harmful (which made me spit nails). Now they're saying that all the other pathologies should be normalized, too.

What will be on next year's agenda for normalization? Necrophilia? Bestiality? Auto-erotic asphyxiation?

36 posted on 05/28/2003 9:52:49 AM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: Remedy
It appears that what Santorum was accused of saying but didn't is also coming true.
37 posted on 05/28/2003 9:56:23 AM PDT by almcbean
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To: Remedy
read later
38 posted on 05/28/2003 10:02:29 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: almcbean

It appears that what Santorum was accused of saying but didn't is also coming true.

Once you condition society to accept homosexuality, it becomes increasingly difficult to draw lines.

Judaism's Sexual Revolution: Why Judaism (and then Christianity) Rejected HomosexualityWhen Judaism demanded that all sexual activity be channeled into marriage, it changed the world. The Torah's prohibition of non-marital sex quite simply made the creation of Western civilization possible. Societies that did not place boundaries around sexuality were stymied in their development. The subsequent dominance of the Western world can largely be attributed to the sexual revolution initiated by Judaism and later carried forward by Christianity. The acceptance of homosexuality as the equal of heterosexual marital love signifies the decline of Western civilization as surely as the rejection of homosexuality and other nonmarital sex made the creation of this civilization possible.

39 posted on 05/28/2003 10:02:31 AM PDT by Remedy
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To: Remedy
People with "sexually unusual" interests, Moser and Kleinplatz note, may in fact be quite happy and well-adjusted. But the APA's labeling of their conditions as "pathological" fuels social discrimination against them, Moser and Kleinplatz warn, which can lead to distress and discrimination that is psychologically damaging.
The stress that the sexually disordered feel is the objective difference between their perverted desires and reality. At the point when the sexually disordered cease to feel that stress, they're well on their way to becoming sociopaths (and/or psychiatrists : )
Besides, Moser and Kleinplatz add, psychiatry has no baseline, theoretical model of what, in fact, constitutes normal and healthy sexuality ...
Earth to Moser and Kleinplatz: Here's your baseline:

MAN WOMAN BIRTH DEATH INFINITY

40 posted on 05/28/2003 10:06:28 AM PDT by eastsider
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