Study: Gun Owners More Likely to Be Killed by Guns

NYT via Join Together Online ^ | May 27, 2003 | ERIC NAGOURNEY

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

A University of California at Los Angeles study shows that gun owners are nearly twice as likely to be killed by guns than those who do not keep firearms at home, the New York Times reported May 27.

The study further found that people with guns at home are 16 times more likely to commit suicide using guns.

More than half of victims knew their assailants, and 15 percent of killings arose from family arguments.

The lethality of guns played a role in the carnage, experts said. "People who are shot are substantially more likely to die than people injured with non-gun weapons," said study author Dr. Douglas J. Wiebe, who is now with the University of Pennsylvania.

For the research, Wiebe analyzed the deaths of 1,720 homicide victims and 1,959 suicide victims and a sampling of American adults.

The study is published in the June 2003 edition of the Annals of Emergency Medicine.

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

Somebody did a study, it has to be true!

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

Bang!!

[Puppage]

As reported by Jason Blair?

[Jay D. Dyson]

As the old saying goes, "Figures don't lie, but liars often figure."

I suspect it won't take too much work for the esteemed John Lott, Jr. to rip this pseudoscience to ribbons...

-Jay

[Orangedog]

Don't tell me they are actually wheeling out this same old lame horse again?!

John Lott, call your office!

[dirtboy]

For the research, Wiebe analyzed the deaths of 1,720 homicide victims and 1,959 suicide victims and a sampling of American adults.

The study further found that people with guns at home are 16 times more likely to commit suicide using guns.

Hmmmm, that's kinda like saying that car owners are ten times more likely to die in a car accident than people who don't own cars. Wonder if they normalized suicide rates between gun owners and non-gun owners? And if they lumped the suicides in with murders to create an aggregate number? And if they bothered to back out gangbangers and drug dealers?

[libertarian guy]

In other news, a study has shown that those who own, or regularly ride in cars are far more likely to die in car accidents that those who have never been in one.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Motorcycle riders more likely to be killed by motorcycles.

Automobile drivers more likely to be killed by automobiles.

Electricity users more likely to be killed by electricity.

[Servant of the Nine]

Notice that they don't say gunowners are more likely to be killed, only that when they are killed it is more likely to be with a gun. Duh-oh.

So9

[AppyPappy]

In a related story, people with phones are more likely to talk on phones

[martianagent]

The study further found that people with guns at home are 16 times more likely to commit suicide using guns.

They'd prefer people used some sort of a SLOW process for suicide??

[D. Brian Carter]

Study: People Who Eat More Likely to Choke to Death than People Who Don't

[Dog Gone]

Newsflash: People who ride in vehicles are more likely to be killed in a vehicle accident than those who never ride in vehicles.

[onedoug]

How much more likely are criminals who break into gun owner's homes to be shot, or succeed in their crimes?

These UCLA types must not have been around for the 92 LA riots.

[ladtx]

I'm going to sleep with one eye open tonight. That wiley ol' .45 semiauto may try to sneak up on me.

[Spiff]

Okay - so they ask victims of gun violence (or ascertain from police records) if these people are gun owners. So? The actual conclusion isn't the same as the headline. The conclusion is that a subset of all gunowners - those who are victims of gun violence - have a greater risk of gun violence.

They certainly didn't ask ALL gunowners or even a simple, random sample. How would they know who owns guns in the first place? Without even looking at the actual study I can tell you that it is not scientific - nor is it credible.

[Puppage]

Study: People Who Eat More Likely to Choke to Death than People Who Don't

Unless you're Liberace

[RAT Patrol]

Pool owners are more likely to drown in their own pool too.

[BlueNgold]

This just in .. people who own cars are more than twice as likely to die in a traffic accident as those who do not own cars.

People with airline tickets are more than 1000 times as likely to die in an airplane accident.

People who take showers are 57 times more likely to come to work smelling 'clean and fresh'.

People who cook ... 76 times more likely to get an oven burn.

Construction workers ... only 1/694th a chance of papercuts compared to secretaries (Someone call OSHA)

Source: the John Madden institute for stating the obvious

[Richard Kimball]

The lethality of guns played a role in the carnage, experts said. "People who are shot are substantially more likely to die than people injured with non-gun weapons," said study author Dr. Douglas J. Wiebe, who is now with the University of Pennsylvania.

People who are shot are more likely to die than people who are not shot. Who'da thunk it? Getting a doctorate must now be an exercise in stating the obvious.