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Illegal Immigrants Get Resident Tuition (Oregon)
ASSOCIATED PRESS ^ | 5/21/03 | PETER PRENGAMAN

Posted on 05/21/2003 7:15:13 PM PDT by Liz

SALEM, Ore. (AP) -

Nineteen-year-old Francisco Urenda wants to become a doctor. The state of Oregon may help him make his dream come true - even though he is an illegal immigrant.

Oregon may be about to join a growing number states that are offering cheaper, in-state college tuition rates to illegal immigrants in a move supporters say will help them become productive, taxpaying members of society. Opponents say the idea will only encourage illegal immigration.

Without the change in Oregon's law, Urenda, who came to the United States from Mexico after being orphaned at 10 and is now a freshman at Chemeketa Community College in Salem, worries he will not be able to move on to a four-year college and get the degree he needs to go to medical school.

"This affects people who only want a better future but can't get it," he said. He spoke freely about his illegal status, saying he doubts the government will try to deport a good student and active community volunteer like him.

As a boy in a farming village in the Mexican state of Michoacan, Urenda dreamed of being like the paramedics he watched on TV's "COPS." He arrived in California to live with relatives and later moved to Oregon, where he became the first person in his family to graduate from high school. He has lived in Oregon for five years.

A bill pending in the Oregon Legislature would allow illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition as long as they graduate from an Oregon high school, have lived at least three consecutive years in the state and show they are in the process of getting legal residency.

The bill has passed the Senate and seems to have a chance in the Republican-controlled House, despite Oregon's worst budget crisis in decades.

Supported by Democrats and many Republicans, the measure reflects the growing importance of the state's Hispanic population, which has doubled in the past decade to more than 275,000 out of Oregon's 3.4 million people.

"This is about fairness," said Senate President Peter Courtney, a Democrat who introduced the bill.

Jim Moore, a political analyst, said there is more at play here than altruism: "Republicans and Democrats are trying to get the Latino community to support their parties. The Latino community is up for grabs."

The savings for illegal immigrants could be considerable. In-state students at the University of Oregon next year will pay $4,875 in tuition and fees, while other students will pay about four times as much.

Washington state, California, New York, Illinois, Oklahoma, Texas and Utah have passed bills that let illegal immigrants pay in-state tuition, and more than a dozen other states are considering similar proposals.

"If they get an education, earn more money and pay more taxes, overall those numbers dwarf the cost of education," said Josh Bernstein from the National Immigration Law Center, an advocacy group in Los Angeles.

Exactly how many illegal immigrants might take advantage of the offer is not clear. Oregon's seven public universities say they have only 17 known illegal students out of an enrollment of 59,000. Perhaps because of that, the potential cost has not become a major issue.

Critics of the bill have instead complained that the measure would encourage illegal immigration and squeeze legal residents out of an education.

"This is a slap in the face to everyone who believes in the rule of law," said Jim Ludwick, president of Oregonians for Immigration Reform. "No matter what you do for these people, it's not enough, they want more. The sky is the limit."

The Urban Institute, a Washington-based economic and social policy research group, estimates that nationally there are between 50,000 and 65,000 college-bound high school graduates who are illegal immigrants.

Congress is considering extending legal permanent residence to those under 21 who have lived in the United States at least five years.

Under the 1996 federal immigration-reform law, states cannot offer in-state tuition to illegal immigrants unless they also offer it to all legal U.S. residents, regardless of what state they come from.

California and the other states have gotten around the law by basing their in-state tuition policy for illegal students on whether they graduated from an in-state school after a certain number of years of attendance.

Anti-immigration groups are preparing lawsuits in California, claiming the law is being violated for the benefit of those who have entered the country illegally.

"As line-jumpers, they are trying to benefit from illegal conduct in ways that are grossly unfair," said Dan Stein, executive director of the Federation of Americans for Immigration Reform.

The Oregon bill was initiated by Laura Lanka, principal of Woodburn High School, where 60 percent of the 1,200 students are Hispanic. She said dozens of good students graduate each year and do not go on to college because they cannot afford it.

"We are not talking about students who speak with an accent. Some have been here their entire schooling since kindergarten," she said.

"I always told them that if they graduated with the right grades and good SAT scores I would help them get into a four-year university."

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The savings for illegal immigrants could be considerable. In-state students at the University of Oregon next year will pay $4,875 in tuition and fees, while other students will pay about four times as much.
1 posted on 05/21/2003 7:15:13 PM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz
If they are illegal then how do they become legal?
2 posted on 05/21/2003 7:21:11 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Liz
"I always told them that if they graduated with the right grades and good SAT scores I would help them get into a four-year university."

What she meant to say was, "I'll steal money from other people to get you into a four-year university."

3 posted on 05/21/2003 7:21:21 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Liz
No wonder American kids can't get an education. We need to give the money away to illegals!
4 posted on 05/21/2003 7:26:18 PM PDT by Henchman
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To: Liz
I don't have any polite way of saying this, but if, "Nineteen-year-old Francisco Urenda wants to become a doctor"

GO HOME and do it.

5 posted on 05/21/2003 7:30:35 PM PDT by Drango (There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those that understand binaries, and those that don't.)
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To: Liz
Ain't this just grand. He sucks up a couple of degrees at our expense and he still isn't legally employable.
7 posted on 05/21/2003 7:35:55 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.)
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To: Liz
"If they get an education, earn more money and pay more taxes, overall those numbers dwarf the cost of education," said Josh Bernstein from the National Immigration Law Center, an advocacy group in Los Angeles.

How do the costs compare when you add in the emergency medical care, the border patrol, the police and the jails? This only encourages more criminal behavoir.
8 posted on 05/21/2003 7:55:06 PM PDT by Plain Old American
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To: Liz
Actually, he could study at the UNIVERSITY OF MEXICO,in Mexico City and pay only $15.45 US Dollars for the whole year. Many Americans find it much cheaper to come to Mexico to study Medicine, and then do State Boards in the USA.
9 posted on 05/21/2003 7:55:27 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: Liz
I seem to remember problems in logic that went something like this. Think it was Euler circles or Venn diagrams or something like that.

Something like how could you possibly be a resident of the State (the small circle) if you were not a member of the large circle. (The country.) But then maybe my logic is all wrong. Cuz everybody knows politicians know best.
10 posted on 05/21/2003 7:59:00 PM PDT by navyblue
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To: Liz
ONCE AGAIN, WHAT PART OF "ILLEGAL" DON'T PEOPLE UNDERSTAND!?
11 posted on 05/21/2003 8:03:42 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Liz
Where in the Constitution does it guarantee everyone in Mexico the right of automatic citizenship in the United States, with free tuition, healthcare and services in any state they choose to live in? Please state specific Article and section.

Oh wait, Emma Lazarus wrote "give me your huddled masses, yearing to be free" (why didn't she just invite them over to her place), and Asa Hutchison said yesterday that illegals coming from Mexico were seeking "freedom" (is Mexico not a democracy?). So therefore we will have new laws drafted by poets and vote-grubbing bureacrats. You can tear up that old copy of the Constitution that you have.

12 posted on 05/21/2003 8:05:30 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Liz
A bill pending in the Oregon Legislature would allow illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition as long as they graduate from an Oregon high school, have lived at least three consecutive years in the state and show they are in the process of getting legal residency.

I've often wondered what the process is for an illegal alien to get legal residency. Is there some type of "Change My Status From Illegal Alien to Legal Resident" form that they can fill out and file?

13 posted on 05/21/2003 8:10:48 PM PDT by judgeandjury (The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state.)
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To: Liz
undocumented aliens .. illegal immigrants .. matters not.. when the pie is small, it can not feed us all.

I caught another after hours speech by Tom Tancredo. He is like a lone voice in the wilderness, it seems. Too bad ..because we are in series doodoo at our borders.

http://www.house.gov/tancredo/Immigration/

Congressional Reform Immigration Caucus

14 posted on 05/21/2003 8:40:13 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Support FRee Republic ... Saving America .. One Village at a Time)
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To: Liz
Hispanic votes
15 posted on 05/21/2003 8:43:09 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Plain Old American
"If they get an education, earn more money and pay more taxes, overall those numbers dwarf the cost of education,"

Well that's stupid reasoning! If we didn't have so many illegals to support they wouldn't have to earn more money to pay more taxes!

Eliminate the problem and we won't have to reward the problem to take care of the problem!

16 posted on 05/21/2003 8:44:48 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: judgeandjury
As I understand it, illegal aliens have to file first for residence, and the "quota" for Mexico is always exceeded by the amount of illegal people who manage to get into our country. The immigration "laywers" are terribly unscrupulous, charging in advance for a status that normally takes years to process. Except, when there are elections - then usually the democrats speed up thousands of applications for citizenship, have en masse naturalization ceremonies in hopes of securing those votes. It all stinks so BAD! INS seems to work on behalf of every soul that seeks to have the rights that belong to Americans, INS does not work for USA any more. It is there to let in as many people from as many countries as possible. I witnessed their so-called naturalization test and it was a joke. INS is working against the benefit of this country, since most of the applicants have no desire to assimilate to the American culture. Rather their sole intent is to drain the systems, enjoy the benefits and perks, with total disregard to the responsibilities inherent to residents or citizens of the best nation in the world.
17 posted on 05/21/2003 9:18:13 PM PDT by Hila
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18 posted on 05/21/2003 9:19:26 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight)
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To: Liz
"This is about fairness," said Senate President Peter Courtney, a Democrat who introduced the bill.

There is nothing fair about it. It discriminates against legal citizens.

19 posted on 05/21/2003 9:23:47 PM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: rovenstinez
I lived in Mexico City many years ago, and that is so true, the National University in Mexico City offers the most inexpensive education. The illegals don't want to be here for educational issues, they just want the American pie and sadly, our government is giving them preference. When will a leader put a stop to the Mexican invasion; surely, we cannot continue to absorb Fox's illiterate. Enough should be enough right about yesterday.
20 posted on 05/21/2003 9:24:00 PM PDT by Hila
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