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Google: Anti-Air Gun. What Next? Anti-Sharp Sticks?
http://www.gunnewsdaily.com/rw514.html ^ | May 10th 2003 | Ralph Weller

Posted on 05/12/2003 3:05:21 AM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender

Saturday, May 10, 2003 - In a move that took air gun retailers by surprise this past week, Google, the number one search engine in the world, cut off all paid advertisements for anyone that offers air guns for sale on their websites. These are the "pay-per-click" advertisements that appear on the top and right side of Google search engine pages identified as "Sponsored Links." Not only did Google abruptly end paid air gun advertisements from retailers, but all non-air gun advertisements as well, if it was found that the websites carried air guns for sale. In other words, if a company sells air guns, Google banned all advertisements from that company, including advertisements for items that have nothing to do with air guns. They successfully put companies, literally, out of business this past week.

It goes without saying that a large numbers of companies rely heavily on Google for their advertising. In a number of documented cases, 80% or more of a small company's advertising budget will go to Google. They have become the number one search engine in the world. Without Google, you're nothing on the internet. Many companies would simply go out of business without Google's pay-per-click advertising program.

What makes this even more insidious, is the fact that many other major search engines use Google to drive their engines. Paid advertisements on Google show up on search engines such as AOL, Netscape and many others. It is estimated that Google and their search engine partners control almost 70% of all search queries in the world.

But despite Google's "social conscience" they gladly accept paid advertisements for porn, beastiality, online gambling, alcohol, and sites offering homosexual sex toys. A search for "porn" reveals paid advertisements from such socially acceptable sites like "kinkychicks.net," "analrush.com," and "LuciousLabias.com." But advertisements for the sale of Red Ryder air rifles are forbidden. Go figure! We don't think those sites, despite some being incredibly crude, should be banned by Google. In fact, any site that complies with the law and Google editorial guidelines should be allowed to advertise so long as they are not offensive, even Red Ryder BB air rifles.

One would think since Google protested the blockage of their site in mainland China last year as unwarranted censorship, they would be somewhat sensitive to their own censorship of small companies that are almost 100% dependent for their survival on Google advertising. But, apparently censorship is a one way street with Google.

Google has joined the elite of the politically correct dot.com companies that increasingly build their business policies around far left politics despite having no no need business-wise to establish a political agenda. They're a search engine, not WorldNetDaily. It makes no sense that Google would insert itself into the politics of the left considering the type of service they offer. If it is a blatant effort to "socialize" America, there is no room in this country for that sort of agenda by a privately held company that the public and businesses have become so reliant on for its services.

What happened this past week by Google by pulling the rug out from under my company was uncalled for and damaging to my business as a retailer of air rifles for recreation, competition, hunting and target shooting. No doubt other companies are feeling the sting of leftism as well... in their P&L statements.

What was Google's response to my queries on this matter?

Their initial response was that air rifles and pistols sold required a "blaze orange tip" per federal regulations for toy guns. My site did not state such, nor did the pictures provided show an orange tip on the products. When I challenged Google that the law specifically exempts BB and pellet air guns that fire metal projectiles per federal regulations, of which the passage from the federal code was provided, the slimy answer came back.

"I would recommend that you remove the 'air gun' link from your website in order for you to advertise on Google." Google further went on to say, "As a business, Google must make decisions about where we draw the line in regards to the advertising we accept, both from a legal and company values perspective." Company values? LuciousLabia.com is about company values? I'll tell you this, Google has no values. They have the values of confused young management who march to their emotions, not real values based on a sense of what's right and what's wrong.

There is certainly more to this than just my business. Gun dealers have long been told to stay out of Google. Why? It doesn't suit Google's liking. You see, Google would like everyone to think that internet advertising is all about selling products over the internet. Therefore, gun dealers should not be allowed to advertise. Advertising is not always about selling items over the internet and they know it. A lot of local companies advertise their walk-in stores or local services company simply because of the increasingly large number of people who use internet search engines like the local yellow pages. Firearm dealers cannot advertise their store on Google not because Google thinks they can sell guns over the internet to the public, which we all know they cannot, but because Google has determined they don't like guns. Based on that, who's worse; the Chinese Communist government that Google protested, or Google themselves? I see no difference in either.

Libertarians would say that Google has every right to censor advertising. They are a private company after all. I say, NOT in this situation. When a company becomes the dominant player in the control of information such as Google, they, like the utility and gas company, now has an OBLIGATION to deal fairly and above board with the public. If they fail to do so by playing politics using censorship to determine what is appropriate for the public to see, and by denying a company the right to survive in the marketplace they, by definition, now control who competes in the marketplace and who doesn't. That just isn't right in a free capitalistic, society.

Remember, if you can't advertise on Google, ads will not appear on another half dozen of the largest search engines. The other major search engines don't handle the advertising accounts. It's all done through Google as the gatekeeper. All this borders on infringement of fair trade because of the business relationship they have with the other major search engines. How do you bypass Google and advertise with Netscape? You don't, because it's set up so you can't. Cozy, isn't it? In the long haul it's the kind of business behavior that invites government regulation which no one wants to see. But, if it happens, they have no one to blame but their own management team.

Having said all that, I and other business people are becoming increasingly agitated that political agendas have inserted themselves into day-to-day business dealings, where none should exist. But, if this is the game Google wants to play, then let's rumble. It will only be a matter of time before they decide to remove knives, pepper spray, stun guns or sharp sticks. Worse yet, they may try to remove unpaid website listings because they don't meet their agenda either. This nonsense needs to stop.

I do not condone a boycott of Google. It serves no purpose to hurt legitimate companies engaged in business because of the political agenda of Google's senior management. However, you can certainly voice your opinion on their pay-per-click advertising policy at: comments@google.com

Maybe enough voices of discontent will have a positive effect on Google changing their unfair and biased practices.


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1 posted on 05/12/2003 3:05:21 AM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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To: *bang_list
To the Bang List.
2 posted on 05/12/2003 3:07:52 AM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender ("It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." -- Patrick Henry)
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender; *bang_list
ping
3 posted on 05/12/2003 3:11:22 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
Orange tip? Never heard that before.
4 posted on 05/12/2003 3:20:14 AM PDT by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
Can you say Google Chicks?
5 posted on 05/12/2003 3:30:00 AM PDT by Flyer (© 1999 - 2003)
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
We'll all be eating hamburger because table knives will be outlawed.
6 posted on 05/12/2003 3:40:25 AM PDT by chainsaw
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
"But despite Google's "social conscience" they gladly accept paid advertisements for porn, beastiality, online gambling, alcohol, and sites offering homosexual sex toys."

Of course,sexual deviations are encouraged by left wing despotic degenerates.

"I do not condone a boycott of Google. It serves no purpose to hurt legitimate companies engaged in business because of the political agenda of Google's senior management."

Your choice, but I disagree. Boycott and voting are two of the most powerful weapons of the right wing conservatives and must be used to hurt and destroy all left leaning companies that bow to the neocommunist doctrines of the left. They will destroy you without a thought.


7 posted on 05/12/2003 3:41:40 AM PDT by wgeorge2001 ("The truth will set you free.")
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
Not the accademic gun but the actual act of harm is advertised on Google, how hypocritical.
8 posted on 05/12/2003 3:43:19 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: chainsaw
I think they violate my civil rights and discrimination based on state or color not on behavior.
9 posted on 05/12/2003 3:44:18 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: chainsaw
I think they want eating meat to be outlawed too.
10 posted on 05/12/2003 3:55:22 AM PDT by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary, Mistress of Darkness? Me Neither!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
BUMP
11 posted on 05/12/2003 3:59:02 AM PDT by Churchjack
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
Searches for Air+Guns still turn up related pages in their search engines.

It sucks about your business, but I don't see people getting very upset about the advertisement side of google. I see having too look at adds as simply payment for their searching services. I honestly don't think people are going to get too worked up over.

However, if I was to learn the were censoring what pages showed up in their searches that would be a different thing entirely, in my opinion.

This is a capitalistic society, and with that you have to take both the bad and the good. You take risks in setting up a business, and setting up one that relies on a dot com, but you've probably had returns on that risk otherwise you wouldn't be doing it still.

By trying to make it a law that google advertise what you want regardless of there desires it seems to me to be just as bad if not worse than "censorship" of advertising.

I'd suggest setting up two separate websites, on with airguns and one without, if you have sales other than airguns. Advertise on google with the non-airgun one, and look around the internet to find others that will and advertise on them with the full one. You could probably even get away with linking to the full site on the censored site.

Either than or simply don't provide them your business anymore. This is how capitalism is supposed to work. If your local grocery store doesn't sell the kind of food you want, and the closest other store is 30 miles away, you chose if the 60 miles of gas is worth getting what you desire, or if you'll compromise with something else from the local place.

Well, end of lecture, good luck with your business
12 posted on 05/12/2003 4:08:18 AM PDT by PropheticZero
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To: PropheticZero
I just googled "air gun" and three paid ads appeared in the right margin, as usual for paid search placement on Google. Are you sure Google has this new policy?
13 posted on 05/12/2003 4:21:08 AM PDT by eno_
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
Well, one way around this is a new search engine. Maybe a Freerepublic search engine, Google needs some competition. Then ban all porno advertizers from that search engine and allow Google to have them. Then Google gets the reputation for being the profane whore of pornographic search engines, gets restricted by parental controls, schools, universitys etc. and dies a slow death leaving only it's perverted followers. It's my understanding that internet porn is the highest source on income on the internet, the chances of Google banning their major source on income is unlikely.
14 posted on 05/12/2003 4:26:40 AM PDT by chuknospam
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To: eno_
Ads here also.
15 posted on 05/12/2003 4:39:31 AM PDT by Jonx6
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To: wgeorge2001
"...[Boycotting]must be used to hurt and destroy all left leaning companies that bow to the neocommunist doctrines of the left. They will destroy you without a thought."

I agree 100%.

Boycotting is an extension of freedom. It is simply voting by means of economic choices. Let me repeat wgeorge2001's apt analysis once again...

"Boycott and voting are two of the most powerful weapons of the right wing conservatives and must be used to hurt and destroy all left leaning companies that bow to the neocommunist doctrines of the left. THEY WILL DESTROY YOU WITHOUT A THOUGHT."
17 posted on 05/12/2003 5:06:46 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: eno_
I just googled "air gun" and three paid ads appeared in the right margin, as usual for paid search placement on Google. Are you sure Google has this new policy?

I checked the links and they are either for paintball guns, industrial air nozzles, or the "politically correct" orange tip air guns - and that site was heavily skewed to the paintball crowd, with none of the major manufacturers of target airguns represented.

18 posted on 05/12/2003 5:40:57 AM PDT by LouD
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
Maybe the pasty skinned, pimply Google geeks just have a compulsive fascination with "orange tips!" Not that there's anything wrong with that of course.
19 posted on 05/12/2003 5:58:58 AM PDT by SpinyNorman
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
You're still going to need to back up your criticisms with a threat of a boycott or to switch to some other engine that doesn't rely on google, if you want the outrage to actually work.
20 posted on 05/12/2003 6:04:00 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (You believe that happy crappy? Don't tell me; I'll tell you!)
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