Genetic evidence links Jews to their ancient tribe

Jerusalem Post (originally) ^ | November 20, 2002 | Judy Siegel

[Sabertooth]

it's clear that you're ready for THE NEXT STEP in helping others onto the path of logic and enlightenment. The next step is to make the colored text real big.

But you told me that the next big step was pretending to be an extinct talking cat.

[PatrickHenry]

Hey, thanks for the link. That Time Cube guy has changed his opening paragraphs. Much more salty language now. His critics must be getting under his skin. He's starting to sound like a creationist. Or maybe a lost tribe buff. Funny, how all these guys eventually sound alike.

[PatrickHenry]

While we're at it, perhaps someone could explain how this phenomenon ties in to the lost tribes. I'm sure the experts have an answer:

[Swordmaker]

Are you ready to stake your meager reputation on their integrity and honesty?

He doesn't have to stake anything on that website... he isn't making any extraordinary claims about the data presented. He presented as an interesting website.

[Sabertooth]

You'll get nowhere without the correct crop circle...

Yet more proof. Notice: Easter Island.

Coincidence? I think not.

More...

Mars...

Now that's lost.

[Swordmaker]

But you told me that the next big step was pretending to be an extinct talking cat.

Good one, Smiley Don.

[tommyG]

Deu 7:6 For thou [art] an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that [are] upon the face of the earth.

Dan 11:15 So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mount, and take the most fenced cities: and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people, neither [shall there be any] strength to withstand.

Isa 41:8 But thou, Israel, [art] my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.

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Isa 41:9 [Thou] whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou [art] my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away.

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Isa 43:10 Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

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Isa 43:20 The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, [and] rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen.


There is more if you want -- just type in chosen.

http://blueletterbible.org/search.html#search

[Just mythoughts]

I appreciate your post, as I am familiar with these scriptures.

Isaiah 43: 1 But now thus saith the LORD That creatd thee, O Jacob, and He That formed thee, O Israel,

2 "Fear not: for I have redeemed the, I have called thee by thy name; thou art Mine.

This "redeemed" is a legal term and who is the Redeemer?

Always with the "chosen" our Heavenly Father is in charge, no physical, flesh man has or will be given their charge.

Thanks,

[tommyG]

"Always with the "chosen" our Heavenly Father is in charge, no physical, flesh man has or will be given their charge"

I'm not wanting to be a jerk, but -- NO KIDDING!

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Creator of the Universe has the final say -- I hope I'm not wrong because if it turns out that a man ends up being my judge I'm most certainly busted.

You came off with a challenge for me to show you a verse in the scripture that says chosen people. I even used your favorite King Jimmy bible. Now be a decent and kind brother and eat some crow.

[DensaMensa]

}does it mean the Jews are no longer the chosen people of the Creator of the Universe?

Excuse me for butting in, but while you cite a few examples of word usage, where does it say JEWS are exclusively THE "chosen people of the Creator of the Universe...? That appears to be your point.

[Just mythoughts]

Look up the "meaning" of the word "chosen". From the original language. Old and New Testment.

The "challenge" as you call it, was not about how many times but what the word means and where it is used.

Watch out for those limbs you go out on.

Then take a hike cause people who think this is about eating dirty birds are missing the whole point. This is being kind and decent.

[tommyG]

"First please give me the scripture that uses your words "the chosen people"." justmythoughts
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It is Post 251 -- Your own words! The challenge for me to prove that chosen people didn't come out of my own imaginings.

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Own up to your error -- pay your debts! You owe me at least a "WHOOPS I WAS WRONG!"

You said "chosen people" was my words, I showed you in your favorite bible that they were not my words. Why can't you admit you are wrong? Christ didn't make any mistakes so you don't have an example of how to behave when you are wrong. Let me give you a clue -- don't lie, own up, and learn. I'm wrong all the time, I don't have a problem with it because I'm not perfect.

[tommyG]

The Jews are the chosen people -- but we gentiles can be grafted in. I do apologize to all that we white people weren't chosen. It isn't my fault. Please take any problems up with the Creator of the Universe. I'm just a poor gentile mutt that hopes to be grafted in. Unfortunately our Lord is not black, hispanic nor white -- He decided to be a Jew -- King of the Jews, King of Kings, The Lion of Juda, the Prince of Peace and the One who is coming back. He isn't from Michigan, He isn't from the Westcoast or the East -- He isn't even a citizen of the United States -- DAMMIT, why wouldn't he be?

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

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Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

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Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

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Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree?

[DensaMensa]

}The Jews are the chosen people

You make that assertion but again you can't support it. Opinions are like you know what's, everyone has one. Nothing exlusive about that.

[Just mythoughts]

You are correct, I apologize, cannot expect you to be a mind reader, as to why I ask you to quote the scripture.

I did not go back and read the post which I asked this question, my big mistake.

I am but a peon in man's world of religion, therefore not educated in gaining the consensus of what man chooses to believe.

[DensaMensa]

}I do apologize to all that we white people weren't chosen.

Suggest you check out this helpful little site. Understanding the DEFINITIONS is vital to the discussion.

[Swordmaker]

Densa, why are you linking to the same page that banned Freeper LostTribes used as his mantra? Are you, perhaps LostTribes resurrected?

The basis for that site is again the discredited E. Raymond Capt.

Incidentally, I have read in several CI sites that E. Raymond Capt is an ordained minister in the Christian Identity Movement... I cannot find any confirmation of this but it is mentioned in several CI websites as a reason to give added "credibility" to his work and a reason why CI's should read his books. If true, then it would explain Capt's agenda.

[Bellflower]

There are mentions of the ten tribes in the NT. Look at the articles I posted.

"Now tell us, just WHAT IS your agenda?""

British Israelism is a cultic doctrine tied in with neo-Nazism, Armstrongism, hate-for_Israelism and ignorant-white-boy-supremacism.

On top of that, I hate hate hate "Replacement Theology" which says that the church has replaced Israel. It is a cultic spawn from the pit of hell.

I do hope I've made myself clear.

I am not the one you originally asked the question "What is your agenda?", but I think that you may believe that anyone who believes that there are lost tribes believes in British Israelism. I do not believe in British Israelism but I do believe as the Bible clearly states that the Israelites from the Northern Kingdom were dispersed throughout all of the world. All the world includes the British Isles and by extension the USA etc.

British Israelism takes facts in the Bible and twists them to service their national and/or racist pride. All of the organizations you listed above also have the common denominator that they all would say that they are founded on Christianity, which obviously they are not. This does not mean that because they twist what being a Christian means that we thereby must give up being Christians because Christianity must be evil. The same thing can be said about some of the doctrines that they use that are correct but they drastically twist to fit in with their own schemes.

I hate the theology of Israel Replacement. I love the Jews and believe that they are God's chosen people. The Church has not replaced the Jews, but rather at the end of time Christ will convert the remnant of the Jews who are left after many of them as well as much of the whole world's population is destroyed during the tribulation period, also known as the time of Jacobs troubles. The Israelites will have preeminence in the world as citizens of Israel. All the promises made to Abraham and the fathers about their descendants being given the land of Israel will be fulfilled.

Most of the people of the "lost tribes" have dissipated into the world's population falling essentially into the category of gentile, most all of them not even knowing that they are actually descendants of Abraham. At the same time, for various reasons, a relatively few of the people from the ten tribes did remained in Judah, the Southern Kingdom, with the Jews.

The Southern Kingdom, known as the House of David, consists largely of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and their Levites. The Northern Kingdom, known as the House of Israel, consisted, before it was carried off by Assyria almost a hundred and forty years before Judah was carried away by Babylon, of the other tribes and their Levites. All that being said, I do believe that most of the members of the "ten lost tribes" are still out there dispersed throughout the whole world and have lost their identities as Israelites, but still are descendants of Abraham.

At the end of time The Father, who knows all things, who knows who are the true Israelites, will gather them from the four corners of the earth and many will become aware of the fact that they are actually Israelites for the first time. The Jews, who The LORD allowed to keep the knowledge of their true identity as His chosen people, are now also being gathered to Israel.

Some of the same tenants that those who believe in British Israelism believe are true and are in The Bible, but they have taken them into their false belief system to try to satisfy their need to feel better than others. Jews are the chosen people of God. Understanding that ten of the tribes largely have been temporarily lost and will be regathered at the end of time doesn't mean that The Church has replaced Israel. Nor does it mean that the British, i.e. white race, has preeminence's over all others and that the Jews are inferior. It does means that you or/and I could be a daughter or son of Abraham and not realize it. Knowing this should cause a greater love of Jews, not a hatred and also help us to understand that The LORD is keeping His promise to Abraham and the fathers concerning their seed and the land of Israel.

Realize that Satan is best at taking truth and turning it into a lie. He usually starts out with truth but simply ends up twisting it until it fits his evil schemes. This way he gets lies out and also discredits truth.

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Amos 9:9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as [corn] is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

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Hosea 1:6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And [God] said unto him, Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away.

Hosea 1:7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.

Hosea 1:8 Now when she had weaned Loruhamah, she conceived, and bare a son.

Hosea 1:9 Then said [God], Call his name Loammi: for ye [are] not my people, and I will not be your [God].

Hosea 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people, [there] it shall be said unto them, [Ye are] the sons of the living God.

Hosea 1:11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great [shall be] the day of Jezreel.

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Zec 12:7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify [themselves] against Judah.

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Ezekeil 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

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John 7:35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?

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Hbr 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

[fishtank]

“67 posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 12:55:45 PM by fishtank “

Wow, you must have been catching on your FR threads over the holidays.

Time flies!!!

That was eight years ago!!!!

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