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Detectives won't face charges in shooting of handcuffed man
Courier Journal ^
| 2/25/03
| Andrew Wolfson
Posted on 02/25/2003 11:25:31 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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This one had the morbidly amusing aspect of a detective running out of the apartment, and leaving his partner to face a handcuffed, wasted old con all by himself.
I've never had a problem with a cop shooting someone trying to run someone (including himself) down, and can, as a matter of policy, excuse some collateral injuries.
I can even accept that some perps can bash themselves around and couse themselves severe injuries (even the occasional death), and can make allowances for that. However, shooting people like this goes beyond the pale - especially unloading an entire clip. Something reeks in this case.
To: Chancellor Palpatine
To: Chancellor Palpatine
I am a supporter of the cops but if I could not subdue a man that is handcuffed without a gun something is very very wrong. A club upside the head or a quick kick in the balls would have stopped this. This whole thing stinks. I do not believe the story as told.
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posted on
02/25/2003 11:30:58 AM PST
by
cpdiii
To: Chancellor Palpatine
I agree on this one for sure.
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posted on
02/25/2003 11:42:08 AM PST
by
wardaddy
To: Chancellor Palpatine
And the LEO's of this nation are the only non-military class of persons that Sarah Brady, Handgun Control Inc. want to be allowed to posses firearms. Makes no sense to me.
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posted on
02/25/2003 11:42:14 AM PST
by
elbucko
(Molon Labe! But you can have the "Squirrels".)
To: cpdiii
I am a supporter of the cops but if I could not subdue a man that is handcuffed without a gun something is very very wrong. A club upside the head or a quick kick in the balls would have stopped this. This whole thing stinks. I do not believe the story as told Take a good look a most cops. Some of them are in the worst physical condition possible. Some take the job for their self-esteem but can't contain their fear under pressure, resist donuts, or clean and practice with their weapons nightsticks and pepper spray, as well as guns.
This sounds like a story worth investigating more thoroughly.
To: wardaddy
I know what the answer is, but none of the cops will like it.
It involves more uniformed cops and marked cars, using billy clubs and mace first before pulling out a .357 revolver, fewer detectives, fewer nomex clad swat teams, more work for precinct or district captains, fewer majors and assistant chiefs, fewer sergeants, sergeants on the street instead of the station, increased bike and horse patrols in urban areas so they get to know their beats, no take home cars.
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posted on
02/25/2003 11:49:13 AM PST
by
Chancellor Palpatine
(those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
To: Chancellor Palpatine
''The first question everyone asks in this case is, 'How could a handcuffed man be a threat to anyone?' '' Stengel said last night. But, he added, it is ''uncontroverted that while handcuffed, Taylor was able to pull a box-cutter with a 4to 5-inch blade out of his pocket.'' Stengel said that marks found on Taylor's body during an autopsy -- as well as witness accounts -- ''show that he was able to get his right cuff considerably up his arm.''
''This enabled him to have the boxcutter on his right front and allowed him substantial movement'' -- so much that one witness said he thought the cuffs had been taken off, Stengel said.
Stengel said Taylor refused several commands to drop the knife and continued to advance, even after being shot.
In the one-room apartment, it was only 11 feet from the foot of Taylor's chair to the farthest corner, where O'Neil retreated, Stengel said.
Do we really want to remove the natural right of self-defense? I for one will not second-guess an officer's lawful actions, for I was not there in the crowded room when the perp decided to lunge at the officer.
To: Chancellor Palpatine
Well said.
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posted on
02/25/2003 11:57:02 AM PST
by
wardaddy
To: Cultural Jihad
Probably not. What I suspect happened, and what is left unsaid, is that the detective that ran was probably the one who botched the job of cuffing the perp.
Don't get me wrong - he was an old perp, but apparently had been a very bad man in his youth. Probably got a second wind.
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posted on
02/25/2003 12:01:29 PM PST
by
Chancellor Palpatine
(those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
To: Chancellor Palpatine
Fixes as presented are fully endorsed by the blackdog sponsored "LEO Improvement Program" service. As many know it in it's acronym form as, L.I.P. service.
As for my right to defend myself against boxcutter weilding seniors in handcuffs by riddling them with semi 9's, I don't think it would go down quite the same.
Somehow these juries are being threatened by LEO's. They become something different when hearing LEO cases.
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posted on
02/25/2003 12:03:30 PM PST
by
blackdog
("But that's what I do" A quote from my Border Collie)
To: Cultural Jihad
CJ,
I rarely disagree with you and even went so far as to point you out as one of our smartest FReepers on that popularity thread last week.....but....if you or I shot a fellow with his hands cuffed behind his back, we'd be facing charges.
For the record, I'm not fond of second guessing beat cops either but this one raises my eyebrows.
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posted on
02/25/2003 12:07:08 PM PST
by
wardaddy
To: Chancellor Palpatine
After reading story, it is clear that those who viewed the facts felt it was better that the cop shoot the guy, instead of risking getting cut, possibly (but improbably)seriously.
To: wardaddy
"I --- even went so far as to point you out as one of our smartest FReepers on that popularity thread last week"...
-- This one raises my eyebrows.
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posted on
02/25/2003 12:16:03 PM PST
by
tpaine
To: tpaine
Why am I not suprised...LOL.
I also noted NOPARDONS as my friend ...which she most assuredly is...outside of this forum both to myself and my wife.
Now....I bet your eyebrows are raised to the point that your forehead is stretching.
I'm just fooling with ya....not looking for a fight ...ok?
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posted on
02/25/2003 12:22:51 PM PST
by
wardaddy
To: Cultural Jihad
For once I must agree with you.
A suspect holding a knife is an immediate threat to every officer in the room, handcuffed or not.
In fact, cops have been killed by handcuffed suspects wielding knives.
L
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posted on
02/25/2003 12:33:58 PM PST
by
Lurker
(When I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you.)
To: Cultural Jihad
I for one will not second-guess an officer's lawful actions... Trust me, the officer will be only too willing to second-guess your actions under similar circumstances.
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posted on
02/25/2003 1:03:41 PM PST
by
Grut
To: Chancellor Palpatine
However, shooting people like this goes beyond the pale - especially unloading an entire clip. That's the part that the few who are defending the cop refuse to comprehend. The cop emptied his gun into a man, who's hands were cuffed behind his back. If he would have shot him once, maybe even twice, it would be a totally different story, although maybe still not acceptable.
First, they botch procedure. The man wasn't searched. Then, because they didn't properly disarm the man, a cop who appears to not have the intellect to be a cop, shoots the guy until he can shoot no more - all because the guy pulled a box cutter, while cuffed.
To: Cultural Jihad
CJ,
I almost never agree with you but you've called this one right. Advancing on a police officer, armed, and refusing orders to drop the weapon - he surely asked for it.
The police officer is not obligated to "subdue" such a clown in a way as to risk his life and the control of the situation. He subdued him in a very practical way.
My only question is "Why eleven shots?" Either it was overkill or the guy with the boxcutter was one tough, determined dude.
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posted on
02/25/2003 1:35:45 PM PST
by
jimt
To: Cultural Jihad
"Do we really want to remove the natural right of self-defense? I for one will not second-guess an officer's lawful actions, for I was not there in the crowded room when the perp decided to lunge at the officer."
I'm from Louisville.
This one is clean and clear. The cop was dead on to shoot the guy.
According to the DA, after 12 shots the guy was still standing and had to be kicked over.
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posted on
02/25/2003 1:46:38 PM PST
by
toothless
(I AM A MAN)
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