State of the Union: A Libertarian Response

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[Undecided]

see "A" Libertarian response, not "The" ...

[mhking]

If you could go back in time as an Angel of God

First off, if I could go back in time as an Angel of God, the implication is that I would have God's blessing in what I was doing.

Secondly, no one is speaking of "playing God." What we are speaking of is dealing with someone who has stated in public that he would like to destroy us. And then he moves to make that desire reality.

Since you're fond of ethereal examples, how about this one -- if someone hates you, says he wants to kill you. If this person then goes to the local Ammunation franchise and purchases a firearm, with the intent of killing you, would you not be within your rights to prevent him from ending your life?

Some evidence has been presented both by the Administration and other people in this forum. Additional evidence will be presented to the UN Security Council next Wednesday; that data will likely end up in the public domain by late on Wednesday.

If you wish to ignore the evidence, that's your business. But I'd much rather take him out and have the opportunity to discuss the issue here, than to spend this summer mourning the destruction of Nashville or St. Louis or Seattle.

It appears that you (and presumably the LP from your opening) feel otherwise. Too bad. FReeper Thomas Jefferson asked me about a month ago what problems I had with the LP, and why I couldn't take the LP seriously as being representative of me and my political mindset. You just very deftly illustrated a large part of it. You're welcome to remain on the fringe. I won't be joining you.

[elfman2]

”The person who wrote this vanity speaks for himself, notwithstanding his claims to the contrary. “

Think again…

- Official LP Statement that Bush's dismissal of Saddam's inspection offer "proves" he's a fraud
- Libertarian Party: Iraq War Threatens U.S. Security and Economy
- Cato "think tank" mystified we went to Orange Alert on 9/11 anniversary, must have been another fraud

[elfman2]

”Please cite the evidence of your claims about Cato's position. “

Gladly. #43

[Protagoras]

see "A" Libertarian response, not "The" ...

See "misleading", not "lie"

[B.O. Plenty]

If Hussein really is a threat to us in the future, a terrorist waiting to happen, then wait for it to happen......This assumes of course that when the time comes, it is not in your neighborhood.....

Mr undecided:....I guess I don't know what a (L)libertarian is....I thought I was one, but I certainly do not advocate waiting to get blown up by a bunch of rag-headed dirt dwellers. I am really weary of the waiting to start disarming Iraq. It's making me crazy. I want Sadam gone from this World. I want his hide tanned and hung on a Smithsonian wall so that we can concentrate on Poon-Tang N. Korea and Tehran Iran. I wouldn't really mind that the "religion of peace" were destroyed so that there are about 100 of them left just so we could remember what they were like.

[Protagoras]

Your link to Cato, if it truly is that, crashes my broswer.

[Undecided]

God gave His blessing to stop Hitler, but even His own son wasn't granted the authority to commit sin in His name - not even with His life in the balance.

[BlueLancer]

"I wouldn't really mind that the "religion of peace" were destroyed so that there are about 100 of them left just so we could remember what they were like."

200 years from now, I want their children's children's children's children
to cower and cringe in fear whenever they hear the sounds of jet engines overhead
because their legends tell of fire from the sky.

I want them to hide in dark caves and holes in the earth,
shivering with terror whenever they hear the roar of diesel engines
because the tales of their ancestors talk about metal monsters
crawling over the earth, spitting death and destruction.

I want their mothers to be able to admonish them with
"If you don't behave, the Pale Destroyers will come for you",
and that will be enough to reduce them to quivering obesience.

I want the annihilation to be so complete that their mythology
will tell them of the day of judgment when the stern gods from across the sea
.. the powerful 'Mericans .. destroyed their forefathers' wickedness.

(Original created by BlueLancer ... 13 September 2001)
(Thanks to HiJinx for the accompanying pictures)

[Protagoras]

FReeper Thomas Jefferson asked me about a month ago what problems I had with the LP, and why I couldn't take the LP seriously as being representative of me and my political mindset

It was an honest question and not a challenge. I think you know that. I wanted to know which things specifically turned you away. I have my own issues with that Party, but I seek to learn what does and does not attract people.

This person may be a Libertarian but he does not speak for the Libertarian Party, which is why I posted my comment.

[Cultural Jihad]

What a bizarre thing to say. We are discussing the self-defense of our nation, while you are trying to paint America as some time-travelling interlopers who are out to thwart and fight against God.

"President Bush goes to battle against God and goodness" - L.P.

[Cultural Jihad]

That is the very hallmark of libertarianism. It's foundation is quick sand, for you cannot get any two to agree on anything. And they like it that way, much as Trotskyites like to decry Stalinists, claiming that they do not really represent communism, and how it's never really been tried before in all of history.

[elfman2]

”Your link to Cato, if it truly is that, crashes my broswer ”

Works fine on mine: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/757355/posts . Here’s the source URL: http://www.cato.org/dailys/09-25-02-2.html

Actually, I see my memory of their statement was in error. They said what the link stated, implying that the alerts were frauds since no evidence was provided, not that Iraq’s terrorist connection was a fraud since not evidence was provided. I’ll mail it to you if you can’t get into either of the above.

[Protagoras]

It's foundation is quick sand, for you cannot get any two to agree on anything.

Seems like a perfect description of conservatives on this site.

[Protagoras]

Actually, I see my memory of their statement was in error.

The precise reason I asked for attribution.

[Physicist]

I'm not sure why you pinged me, but while the LP statements you linked are characteristically loopy, the Cato commentary about the alert system is spot-on. Of course, I don't see the relevance of that article to the Iraq question.

[Cultural Jihad]

But the only so-called conservatives here who characterize or proselytize moral-cowardice as exemplified in this thread are the libertarians.

[elfman2]

”This person may be a Libertarian but he does not speak for the Libertarian Party, which is why I posted my comment. “

But it’s consistent with the official LP statement that I posted.

I think the, “I’m a small ‘l’ Libertarian”, or “I’m a libertarian but don’t necessarily agree with everything the LP says” quantifiers that are frequently posted here are reaching the limits of applicability. If I was a Muslim and the majority of Mosque didn’t officially denounce Osama, I wouldn’t call myself one any longer. Now libertarian’s that support the War on Terrorism are presented with a similar choice.

[Protagoras]

But the only so-called conservatives here who characterize or proselytize moral-cowardice as exemplified in this thread are the libertarians.

Some are so-called conservatives.

I have not known any moral cowards who are libertarian. Please identify those whom you refer to.

[Protagoras]

I said that the person who posted this vanity was not an official spokesman for that political party. I asked him to show it if he was, he opted not to. I stand by my statement.

If you do not agree with the platform of a party, you can do what you wish about it, but it is off topic on this thread.

What is the point you are attempting to make?