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To: Kay Soze
Did not the confedrates attack the United States of America and kill more US Citizens than Osama could ever fantazise about?

NO!

17 posted on 12/13/2002 4:51:39 PM PST by varina davis
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To: varina davis
Was Ft Sumter part of the US when it was fired on by the confederates?
70 posted on 12/14/2002 7:19:37 AM PST by mac_truck
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To: varina davis
Did not the confedrates attack the United States of America and kill more US Citizens than Osama could ever fantazise about?

NO!

Of course the rebels were traitors who had no moral cause of grieveance.

They attacked the United States because of what they thought -might- happen in the future in regards to slavery.

You never quote the record because it doesn't support your fantasy.

Consider this text:

"Had the south used her power prudently and acted wisely, she would have controlled the destinies of this Government for generations yet to come...But, flushed with victories so constant and thorough and maddened by every expression of opposition to their peculiar institution, they commenced a work of proscription and aggression upon the rights of the people of the North, which has finally forced them to rise in their might and drive them from power.

They commenced their aggressions upon the North in some of the southern states by the enactment of unconstitutional laws, imprisoning colored seamen, and refusing to allow those laws to be tested before the proper tribunals. They trampled upon the sacred right of petition; they rifled and burnt our mails, if they suspected they contained anything of condemnation of slavery. They proscribed every northern man from office who would not smother and deny his honest convictions upon slavery and barter his manhood for place. They annexed foreign territory avowedly to extend and strengthen their particular institution, and made war in defense and support of that policy. They refused admission into the Union of States with free constitutions, unless they could have, as an equivalent, new guarantees for slavery. They passed a fugitive slave bill, some of the provisions of which were so merciless, and unneccessary as they were inhuman, that they would have disgraced the worst despotisms of Europe. They repealed their 'Missouri compromise act,' which they had themselves forced upon the North, against their wishes and their votes; and after having attained all their share of the benefit, they struck it down, against the indignant and almost unanimous protest of the whole North, for the purpose of forcing slavery upon an unwilling people. They undertook to prevent, by violent means, the settlement of Kansas by free-state men. They invaded that territory and plundered and murdered its citizens by armed force...

Every new triumph of the South and every concession by the North has only whetted their appetite for still more, and encouraged them in making greater claims and more unreasonable demands, until today they are threatening the overthrow of the Government if we do not give them additional guarantees for protection to their slave property in territory in which we do not now own."

--Speech of Representative John B. Alley of Massachusetts, January 26, 1861

(quoted from "The Causes of the Civil War", Kennneth Stampp, ed.)

"[The chief obstacle to reconciliation] is the absoulute impossibility of revolutionizing Northern opinion in relation to slavery. Without a change of heart, radical and thorough, all guarantees which might be offered are not worth the paper on which they are inscribed. As long as slavery is looked upon by the North with abhorrance; as long as the south is regarded as a mere slave-breding and slave-driving community; as long as false and pernicious theories are cherish respecting the inherant equality and rights of every human being, ther can be no satisfactory political union between the two sections."

New Orleans Bee, December 14, 1860

Ibid

"The present attempt at a forcible dissolution of the Union, is the result of a conspiracy which has been brooded upon and actively conducted by ambitious men for nearly thirty years past--sometimes elated by prospects of success, sometimes chagrined by unexpected defeat, they have, since 1832, steadily pushed on their plot, recruited their forces, and at last, confident in their strength, they have openly announced their plans, and defied resistance to their execution. Their aim is to found a Southern Empire, which shall be composed of the Southern states, Mexico, Central America and Cuba, of which the arch-conspirators are to be the rulers."

-- Trenton Gazette, January 3, 1861. (Quoted in "The Causes of the Civil War" by Kenneth Stampp

The south started the war, and your simple denials won't fool anyone not looking for an excuse to be fooled.

Walt

203 posted on 12/16/2002 6:32:10 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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