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EXTREME CRISIS -- MIDNIGHT LAND GRAB IN THE HOUSE -- CARA
American Land Rights Association - Land Rights Network ^ | 11/15/02 | American Land Rights Association

Posted on 11/16/2002 9:07:15 AM PST by Justanumba

**CRISIS** Midnight Land Grab!!!

EXTREME CRISIS !!!!!!! ***** EXTREME CRISIS !!!!!!!

*** YOUR HELP NEEDED !!!!! ***

**** WE CAN WIN WITH YOUR HELP !!!!! ****

S. 990 - The "Son of CARA" - a version of CARA - the Condemnation and elocation Act - is on the fast track and moving through Congress! This discredited land grab bill had not moved for eleven months, until the dark of nite in the wee hours of Friday morning.

ONCE AGAIN, selected members of Congress have moved legislation - S. 990 - in the dead of night that will

1) make the Endangered Species Act EVEN WORSE,

2) permit SEIZURE of private property, and

3) hand out cash to environmental extremists and animal rights outfits!!!

Oh yes, and 4) it hands out up to $25 million to foreign countries for land acquisition. We couldn't make this up, folks!

You may recall at the end of 2001, just four days before Christmas, the Senate approved S. 990 - the "Son of CARA" land grab bill. It was 11:45pm, with only three Senators present, NO debate, NO hearings, NO vote - just "unanimous consent" on their last night in session for the year, after nearly all Senators had left the Capitol.

THEY DID IT AGAIN !!!

This time it was the House of Representatives. It was the last day the House was in session for the year, November 15, 2:35am!!!! That's right, two thirty-five in the morning!!!!!!!

Nearly all congressmen had gone home, NO debate, NO hearings, NO vote, just "unanimous consent" and a BILLION dollar enviro pork barrel land grabbing disaster - S. 990, the "Son of CARA" - was approved.

HOWEVER - the Senate last year, and the House this year, approved DIFFERENT versions of S. 990.

The House is now out of session for the rest of 2002. However, the Senate is in session for one more week, from November 18 to 21.

*** The Senate must vote on what the House just passed in order to give final congressional approval to S. 990. ***

******* ACTION ITEM BELOW !!! *******

******* TELL YOUR SENATOR ******* NO on S. 990 *******

WHY?? WHY?? WHY??

WHY are REPUBLICAN Senator Bob Smith of New Hampshire and REPUBLICAN Congressman Jim Hansen of Utah joining together and attempting to push this disaster through at the last minute??

ANSWER: BOTH are leaving Congress this year, and BOTH are in "Legacy Mode." BOTH have buried provisions in S. 990 to give a name for themselves, at the expense of private property and fiscal responsibility.

####### HERE is the item snuck in for New Hampshire by Senator Bob Smith. Page 19, "Grants to the State of New Hampshire." A NINE million dollar payoff handed over to the Trust for Public Land, to buy property that will only cost SEVEN million dollars!!! A two million dollar profit for a "non-profit" land trust!!!!!!!

####### UTAH: Jim Hansen is attempting to blow a total of THIRTEEN million dollars of taxpayer funds to glorify himself! On page 49 is two million dollars for the James V. Hansen Shoshone Trail. On page 52 is eleven million dollars for the Bear River Visitor Center to be named after you guessed it - James V. Hansen!!!!!!!!

This self glorification is bad enough. But here are the FOUR problems for everyone in the entire country with S. 990:

FIRST: It will make the Endangered Species Act EVEN WORSE by adding a new category called "species at risk" in addition to the current "threatened species" and "endangered species." It hands out up to $150 million per year to "environmental organizations," with no prohibition on animal rights outfits receiving funds, to enforce this new category.

SECOND: It hands out $50 million per year to states for "cooperative conservation" plans that include "property acquisition" with no prohibition on condemnation power.

THIRD: hands out up to $50 million per year for "shrubland and grassland" conservation, with "environmental organizations" again eligible to feed at the taxpayer trough. EVEN WORSE - grass and shrubs are defined as, well, grass and shrubs - AND - areas "historically dominated" by grass and shrubs - AND - areas that "if restored to natural grassland or shrubland, would have the potential to serve as habitat for endangered species, threatened species, or species at risk." In other words, just about every inch of America outside the Mojave Desert!!!!!!!!!!!

*** ACTION ITEM *** ACTION ITEM *** ACTION ITEM ***

You must call AND Fax both your Senators so their offices are deluged with messages beginning Monday morning. This is not a time you can depend on someone else. YOU must do it.

Tell your Senator to put a hold on S 990. Ask his staff person for a commitment that his or her boss will do it. Follow up to make sure they did it. Then you must keep up the pressure to make sure the hold is not taken off.

Any Senator can stop S 990 by simply putting a hold on the bill. That will delay it until next year. But you must make sure the hold gets put on and stays on. Don't assume that because the staff person tells you the hold is on, that it is on. Keep calling.

The Senate is an old boys club and they try to get along by going along. Also, its very late. It is a lame duck session. Many Senators are not paying attention. They just want to get out of town.

-----1. Write a fax immediately and fax it to your Senator. If you don't have his or her fax, call Monday morning early and get it. Insist that he or she put a hold on S 990.

-----2. Early Monday morning call both your Senators. Every Senator may be called at (202) 224-3121 or the temporary FREE NUMBER: (800) 648-3516. Don't take your Senator for granted.

-----3. Call at least three times on Monday. A vote is likely late in the day. It could be delayed until Tuesday so keep calling Tuesday.

-----4. Call your friends, neighbors, associations and anyone else you can to get them to call and fax. This is a big deal. And you can win.

CALL YOUR FRIENDS. CALL YOUR NEIGHBORS. PULL OUT THE STOPS.

PLEASE FORWARD THIS MESSAGE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE.

American Land Rights Association - Land Rights Network PO Box 400 - Battle Ground WA 98604 Phone: 360-687-3087 - Fax: 360-687-2973 - Email: - http://www.landrights.org Legislative Office: 507 Seward Square SE - Washington DC 20003 Phone: 202-210-2357 - Fax: 202-543-7126 - Email: landrightsnet@aol.com


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 235am; cara; epa; esa; landgrab; landrights; nodebate; nohearings; novote; propertyrights; propertyseizure; s990; sonofcara; terrorwar; unanimousconsent
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Oh Lord, they're at it again. This is so disgusting. I am getting so depressed. But I faxed and will call and do my bit. The fact that they would even consider this shows how far our country has fallen.
1 posted on 11/16/2002 9:07:15 AM PST by Justanumba
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To: Justanumba
I e-mailed this to Rush, O'Riely, Hannity. I hope they pick up on it. Unless the public is aware of it, nothing will stop it.
2 posted on 11/16/2002 9:16:00 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Mercuria
Bump!
3 posted on 11/16/2002 9:16:22 AM PST by HangFire
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To: sauropod
FYI
4 posted on 11/16/2002 9:18:14 AM PST by nutmeg
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To: Justanumba
Can Bush still veto this? Do we have time to stop it there?
5 posted on 11/16/2002 9:19:47 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Justanumba
BTTT

I'm writing to my senators right now. Thank you for bringing this up.

6 posted on 11/16/2002 9:22:02 AM PST by avg_freeper
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To: Justanumba
NEVER FEAR, THE REPUBLICANS ARE HERE!!! </LOL>
7 posted on 11/16/2002 9:22:13 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Free Vulcan; Lit-O-Lady
FV, can you ping your list. We need calls from down there into Harkin's office.
8 posted on 11/16/2002 9:22:51 AM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: Justanumba
Why can the House pass things without a quorum? Doesn't there have to be more people there to do this,

I say call you house reps. at home office and RAISE HELL there too!!!!

9 posted on 11/16/2002 9:35:19 AM PST by The UnVeiled Lady
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To: concerned about politics; All
I e-mailed this to Rush, O'Riely, Hannity. I hope they pick up on it. Unless the public is aware of it, nothing will stop it.

You did a good thing... for others so inclined: Go here:

Ignorance Making You Ill? Cure It!

for links, tools, & instructions about how to contact a pile of different people, and how to send a link to this story right here ( or anywhere else ) to a "mass email" using Outlook Express.

10 posted on 11/16/2002 9:38:28 AM PST by backhoe
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Bob Smith, eh?

How can that be, I kept reading some here who claim that he is the perfect conservative, the only non-RINO in Congress?
11 posted on 11/16/2002 9:46:31 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Justanumba; madfly
FYI.
12 posted on 11/16/2002 9:48:22 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Justanumba
I got an email from Carry_Okie on this. You beat me to it. This is insane. 2:30 am in the morning, NO Vote!!!!!!

Thanks for posting this.

13 posted on 11/16/2002 9:54:25 AM PST by madfly
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To: Scuttlebutt; MedProf; LadyX; Vigilant1; AnnaZ; Lazamataz; Sir Gawain; Mercuria; hogwaller; ...
LAND GRAB PING!
14 posted on 11/16/2002 9:55:42 AM PST by madfly
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To: Free the USA; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Stand Watch Listen; freefly; TonyWojo; expose; .30Carbine; ...
Son of CARA ping!
15 posted on 11/16/2002 9:57:11 AM PST by madfly
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To: 2Jedismom; 2sheep; Alabama_Wild_Man; Aquinasfan; ArGee; arielb; BallandPowder; Bigun; billbears; ...
Son of CARA ping!
16 posted on 11/16/2002 9:59:20 AM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
bump
17 posted on 11/16/2002 10:10:54 AM PST by CasearianDaoist
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To: Justanumba
I guess I am really dumb when it comes to how our system works. How could 2 or 3 senators do any kind of business after everyone else has gone home? Apparently they can. If so, this kind of $hit should be stopped immediately by passing a law. Why have they allowed B/S like this to happen. Isn't there anyone up there with any common sense?
18 posted on 11/16/2002 10:13:41 AM PST by auggy
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To: Henrietta
ping
19 posted on 11/16/2002 10:14:12 AM PST by niki
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To: auggy
Isn't there anyone up there with any common sense?

No.

20 posted on 11/16/2002 10:17:20 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: madfly
And people wonder why there is so much disrepsect for people in goverment authority.
21 posted on 11/16/2002 10:18:41 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Guy Angelito
You're joking, right?
23 posted on 11/16/2002 10:26:33 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Guy Angelito
Can't be done without just compensation. What is the big deal?

Some people don't want to sell.
They want the farm that's been in their families for years.
Do you think it's right when the Government comes to your door and says "You're moving. Here's what we think your property is worth. Kiss your land good bye. Get out!"

24 posted on 11/16/2002 10:28:06 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: *landgrab
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list
25 posted on 11/16/2002 10:31:12 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: Justanumba
Bump for additonal info.

26 posted on 11/16/2002 10:32:07 AM PST by Salvation
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To: Guy Angelito
   2) permit SEIZURE of private property, and

   Can't be done without just compensation. What is the big deal?

What's crack going for these days, by the pound?

27 posted on 11/16/2002 10:35:04 AM PST by Mike-o-Matic
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To: avg_freeper
BTTT,

I've finished writing Zell and Max. I don't expect much from Max. I'll follow up with a call during the week.

28 posted on 11/16/2002 10:44:07 AM PST by avg_freeper
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To: Guy Angelito
Can't be done without just compensation. What is the big deal?

They destroy the property value first, and then pay a pittance on its former worth. They mismange it in the name of protecting nature and it is usually soon overwhelmed with exotic species. It's the big corporations that fund the environmental movement now because they can buy off the politicians and the profits go up because their competition is out of business. It's nothing short of highly organized crime.

No big deal, eh?

Get with the program. Contrary to the pitch, Federal land ownership isn't good for land, the economy, or a free society.

29 posted on 11/16/2002 10:47:02 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: auggy
". Isn't there anyone up there with any common sense? "

Anybody with common sense stays as far away from these a-h0les as possible. So the answer is no.

30 posted on 11/16/2002 11:03:47 AM PST by monday
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To: Justanumba
S990 is Title 3 of CARA. Although there is some money in the bill for procurment, the Land and Water Conservation Fund(LWCF) was, is, and will always be the source of money which the feds and the states split to buy property.

In the CARA compromise of 2000, Congress committed to fund LWCF at 100% allowable for 7 years. This amount is $ 900 million per year which the feds and the states split. Bush was able to make some changes when he came into office. He managed to get Congress to allow $ 50 million for 2002 and $100 million for 2003 to be diverted from the federal portion of LWCF into grants to private landowners for conservation.

Anybody that gets worked up over S990 is poorly informed. LWCF is what should be stopped.

31 posted on 11/16/2002 11:04:22 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: concerned about politics
Never fear. These lands are being preserved for all the illegals who soon will have title to the country. Or maybe this is where they plan on putting the rest of us.
32 posted on 11/16/2002 11:23:02 AM PST by willyone
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To: auggy
Remember how Bob Dole did this to end the showdown with Clinton in 95? Everyone was gone so Dole on his own voted to end it.
33 posted on 11/16/2002 11:27:16 AM PST by willyone
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To: Justanumba
How could this be? The Republicans would never go back on their word would they?
34 posted on 11/16/2002 12:18:25 PM PST by Demidog
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To: concerned about politics
Can Bush still veto this?

Of course. You're deluding yourself however if you think he'll veto this bill.

35 posted on 11/16/2002 12:21:07 PM PST by Demidog
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Boy, you got that right. We are going to pay some big prices for banning partial birth abortion. Wait till you see what we have to pay to get some "conservative" judges appointed. But that's okay, the republicans control the senate.
36 posted on 11/16/2002 12:29:45 PM PST by fifteendogs
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To: madfly; Justanumba
Thanks for posting this, I was about to do it. I wonder who the congressmen were that passed this thing in the dead of night??
37 posted on 11/16/2002 12:40:14 PM PST by AuntB
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To: The UnVeiled Lady
They seem to be able to and I've never understood it without a quorum either. When Brady was passed by the Senate it was just before Thanksgiving break and 4 were there...Bob Dole, Mark Hatfied (R)Oregon, and 2 demoncrats that I can't recall right now. The 4 voted for it.
38 posted on 11/16/2002 12:42:30 PM PST by AuntB
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To: Justanumba
As I have said a number of times on this forum, the federal government should federalize all assets of the land grab NGOs. Then it should turn that land over to the states. I have no use for federal or private land grabs. It should end this very momment. It should have never been instigated.

Bob Smith has just ruined whatever legacy he had. There isn't a conservative supporter who will forgive and forget this cr-p.

39 posted on 11/16/2002 1:57:44 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: madfly
Thanks for the ping.

Bump.

40 posted on 11/16/2002 2:05:25 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: DoughtyOne
Bump!

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41 posted on 11/16/2002 2:27:39 PM PST by Geezerette
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To: Issaquahking
BTTT -
42 posted on 11/16/2002 3:11:54 PM PST by isasis
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To: Carry_Okie; AuntB; AAABEST; farmfriend
BTTT they are at it still - Big one this time Hope we can do something about this one
43 posted on 11/16/2002 3:19:21 PM PST by isasis
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To: isasis
Doesn't sound like Bob Smith. How would such a bill foster his legacy? This is the ONLY senator who stood at the gates of Andrews Air Force base-TWICE-and was refused admittance BOTH TIMES, under direct orders from the DOJ, who controlled Andrews while Elian, Juan, his wife and baby were held prisoners there, and the DOJ was probably under orders from Gregg Craig ala billy clinton-major castro arse boosters.
44 posted on 11/16/2002 3:43:30 PM PST by Republic
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To: concerned about politics
Some people don't want to sell. They want the farm that's been in their families for years. Do you think it's right when the Government comes to your door and says "You're moving. Here's what we think your property is worth. Kiss your land good bye. Get out!"

They just did this to a whole community of people because the town wants to relocate a high school. People fought it for over a year...but alas..the town won...people put up banners, prtested...but the high school will be built. There is nothing wrong with the old one...and this will cause a huge traffic problem.

45 posted on 11/16/2002 3:44:21 PM PST by Sungirl
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To: Justanumba
New boss...same as the old boss.
46 posted on 11/16/2002 5:15:08 PM PST by wcbtinman
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To: Justanumba
Thanks for the tip, I`ll send an email now and call Monday. In these fiscally tight times, this kind of expensive radical eco-crap is criminal.
47 posted on 11/16/2002 5:33:39 PM PST by nomad
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To: Justanumba
I need to know, in a general sense (not individual pork grabs) WHY Republican politicians would consider legislation like this. The scumbag Democrats I understand - - they strive relentlessly for a politically correct, socialist ant-farm nation, with government owning and controlling everything. But aren't Republicans supposed to go the other way?

Thanks in advance to anybody who can explain rationally why Republicans would support legislation like this, and why Bush would sign it.

48 posted on 11/16/2002 5:44:56 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Justanumba
This is outrageous!! I'll contact my Congresscritters ASAP.

This next week I'm attending a "Land Grab" seminar. I'm sure this will be discussed.

49 posted on 11/16/2002 5:47:30 PM PST by CWRWinger
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To: Guy Angelito
Can't be done without just compensation. What is the big deal?

San Diego County passed "multiple species habitation act" which sets aside 80 % of my property. I get the remaining 20% (I still get to pay taxes on the whole)

I wrote to the director of the program to ask if he felt that he was siezing my property without compensation and one of his staffers wrote back that that was "exactly" what they were doing.
50 posted on 11/16/2002 6:23:17 PM PST by lneisone
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