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Out Beyond Pluto, Astronomers Find Something New
Reuters ^ | October 07, 2002 | Deborah Zabarenko

Posted on 10/07/2002 1:47:30 PM PDT by Willie Green

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - It's the biggest thing found orbiting the sun since astronomers discovered Pluto in 1930, but please do not call it a planet. Call it Quaoar.

At half the size of Pluto, Quaoar -- pronounced KWAH-o-ar -- is a large celestial object, but not large enough to be a planet, one of its discoverers said in a telephone interview.

Quaoar's discovery also calls Pluto's planet status into question, said Mike Brown of the California Institute of Technology, who first detected the object on June 4. His findings were presented on Monday to the American Astronomical Society's planetary science division meeting in Birmingham, Alabama.

Still, Quaoar acts a lot like a planet. Circling the Sun once every 288 years, Quaoar is located a billion miles beyond Pluto, in an area loaded with icy orbiting objects called the Kuiper Belt.

The Kuiper Belt is where comets originate, and astronomers have long believed it harbors planet-shaped rocks like Quaoar. Over the last decade, more than 500 Kuiper Belt objects have been detected.

"In any realistic definition of a planet, you would have to say something like, a planet is significantly bigger than everything around it," Brown said. "(Quaoar) is only 50 percent bigger than the next biggest Kuiper Belt object, to me it's not massive enough."

Quaoar's existence confirms that large orbiting bodies can reside at the very fringes of our solar system, and could give new insights on the primordial materials that formed planets like Earth some 5 billion years ago.

PLUTO'S PLANETARY STATUS QUESTIONED

It also supports the theory that Pluto is not a planet at all, but rather a Kuiper Belt object. Pluto has a similarly long orbit -- 248 years to make a complete trip around the sun -- but is far more eccentric than Quaoar seems to be.

Instead of going around the sun in the same plane as the rest of the planets, Pluto's orbit is tilted about 17 degrees. At one point, Pluto comes close enough to the sun to heat up the volatile substances on its surface, making it more reflective.

By contrast, Quaoar has a highly regular orbit, tilted only about 7.9 percent, never getting close to the sun. Faint ultraviolet radiation over the ages has slowly changed the surface of this rock-and-ice object to a dark, tar-like substance.

Scientists have long suspected that big, planet-shaped objects like Quaoar would be found in the Kuiper Belt; this is by far the largest they have discovered.

Brown said Quaoar's presence some 4 billion miles from Earth casts doubt on Pluto's planetary status.

"There are nostalgic forces that are operating that prefer to call it a planet," he said. "If Pluto were discovered today, there are very few people, other than the person who discovered it, who would want to call it a planet."

Brown said, however, that even if it is not a planet, Pluto is "an incredibly interesting body" that deserves to be studied.

Quaoar is named after the creation force of the Tongva tribe, the original inhabitants of the Los Angeles basin where Caltech is located. It can be detected just northwest of the constellation Scorpio.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: kbo; planets; quaoar; xplanets
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1 posted on 10/07/2002 1:47:31 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Out Beyond Pluto, Astronomers Find Something New

Jimmy Hoffa.

2 posted on 10/07/2002 1:59:26 PM PDT by My2Cents
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To: RightWhale
fyi
3 posted on 10/07/2002 2:01:11 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: My2Cents
You can almost hear the tinfoilers popping the champagne on this one( go to davidicke.com you'll really laugh your a** off).
4 posted on 10/07/2002 2:02:54 PM PDT by weikel
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To: Willie Green

Pluto es Hijo de Pluta. <|:)~

5 posted on 10/07/2002 2:03:03 PM PDT by martin_fierro
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To: My2Cents
Rocket Man


6 posted on 10/07/2002 2:04:00 PM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: Willie Green
Sky and Telescope magazine (www.skypub.com) had an interesting article a while ago where they tried to come up with a logical basis for defining a planet that would encompass all the current 9 planets while excluding others. They were unable to do so: criteria such as "massive enough to pull it's own mass into a spherical shape" or "within x distance from the Sun", or a specific chemical/geological composition all either excluded Pluto (and others), or else included other objects not currently considered a planet.

If you want to read more about this object, check here

7 posted on 10/07/2002 2:06:10 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Willie Green
I tell you Zacchariah Sitchen will be proven right!

(He makes a helluva lot more sense than the Koran does.)

8 posted on 10/07/2002 2:07:28 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: weikel
go to davidicke.com you'll really laugh your a** off).

Sheesh - he's got the Tinfoil franchise all locked up.

9 posted on 10/07/2002 2:08:02 PM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: Willie Green
"Out Beyond Pluto ..." -- I thought this was a thread about Al Gore.
10 posted on 10/07/2002 2:10:46 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats
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To: Willie Green
Its a mag-lev project and its headed in the direction of western Pennsylvania!
11 posted on 10/07/2002 2:12:01 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: weikel
WoW what a site. My mind is numb now.

Anybody got any jumper cables I have to kick start my brain after reading this stuff. ROTFLMAO

12 posted on 10/07/2002 2:14:03 PM PDT by Militiaman7
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To: Willie Green
Is this the same one announced last summer? It is big but probably only the first big object to be found in the Kuiper Belt. There could be a lot of these. One problem with finding them is that they are dim objects in spite of their size. Light levels are low out there to begin with, and the objects aren't much more reflective than lumps of coal. These objects will be the stepping stones to the next star, but not soon. In the course of time we will be living out there, mining and building settlements, while the inner solar system is gradually filled with habitats and settlements. There is a lot of hard work ahead, if we ever get started.
13 posted on 10/07/2002 2:15:43 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Willie Green
bump ..... we need to get out there and strip mine all these volatiles and stuff.
14 posted on 10/07/2002 2:19:42 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: Savage Beast
I tell you Zacchariah Sitchen will be proven right!
(He makes a helluva lot more sense than the Koran does.)

Hell's bells! Amiri Baraka's "poetry" makes more sense than the MoonDemon Handbook.

15 posted on 10/07/2002 2:22:06 PM PDT by MarineDad
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To: RonF
I thought the definition of a planet was pretty simple. Orbits the sun, is big and round. Did I miss something?
16 posted on 10/07/2002 2:26:39 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: Savage Beast
Everything makes more sense than the Koran( at least Cthulu cultist don't claim to be a peaceful religion lol).
17 posted on 10/07/2002 2:27:28 PM PDT by weikel
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To: weikel
Aren't there some people who believe there is some kind of planet (Or something weird...I can't remember what) beyond Pluto??

Or, am I just making this up??
18 posted on 10/07/2002 2:35:19 PM PDT by Johnny Shear
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To: Johnny Shear
No you are not the tinfoilers( god knows they may be right)have been predicting a body like this to arrive in our solar system close to the end of the Mayan calendar in 2012 they generally refer to it as Niburu after what the Sumerians called a 10th solar body.
19 posted on 10/07/2002 2:43:08 PM PDT by weikel
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To: Willie Green
It is quite difficult to argue that Pluto isn't a planet when Pluto has it's own moon Charon,

If it is large enough for it's gravity to capture a moon then it is a planet.

It isn't the Planet X people were imagining past Neptune, but it is a planet.

20 posted on 10/07/2002 2:44:46 PM PDT by ContentiousObjector
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