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Blair to meet Bush for Iraq talks (WAR STRATEGY TIME)
BBC News ^ | September 4, 2002 | BBC News

Posted on 09/04/2002 8:42:27 AM PDT by MadIvan

Downing Street has confirmed that UK Prime Minister Tony Blair is set to fly to America for talks with US President George Bush.

Mr Blair meets President Bush at his official Camp David retreat on Saturday when tackling the alleged threat posed by Iraq is certain to top the agenda.

Describing Iraq's Saddam Hussein as a serious threat, President Bush said: "I look forward to talking with Tony Blair about our mutual concern to make the world safer."

The UK prime minister on Wednesday again promised to produce a dossier of evidence against Iraq "in the next few weeks".

Dossier details

Visiting his Swedish counterpart in Stockholm, Mr Blair said the dossier would show why the United Nations was right to impose a weapons inspections regime on Iraq in the first place.

"That is material to do with chemical, biological, nuclear weapons of mass destruction and also on the nature of the regime," said Mr Blair.

The precise form of the dossier had yet to be decided, he said.

"It will be designed to show people why it is that adherence to those United Nations resolutions matters."

Gathering pace

Plans for the two leaders to meet were expected but their talks are to be held even sooner than expected.

Mr Blair's words at a special news conference on Tuesday and President Bush's message after facing questions from US congressional leaders on Wednesday have fuelled speculation about the prospect of military action.

The US president is to go to the UN next week, where he said he would "state clearly what I think".

"I will first remind the Unite Nations that for 11 long years Saddam Hussein has sidestepped, crawfished, wheedled out of any agreement he made not to develop weapons of mass destruction," he said.

"And so I'm going to call upon the world to recognize that he is stiffing the world."

'Persuasion needed'

Mr Blair has been warned his dossier of evidence against Iraq will have to be very convincing to stand any chance of limiting the unease about the prospect of military action.

Labour MP Bruce George, chairman of the Commons defence committee, said he hoped the promised dossier would be published in time for Labour's annual conference, in order to head off any potential unrest.

The TUC leadership is expected, at a meeting on Thursday, to welcome publication of the dossier - but will insist there must be no unilateral attack on Iraq and that the United Nations must be consulted.


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To: MadIvan
Good thread, Ivan -- that is a great picture of Bush, Blair and the flags. By the way, that enthusiastic keyword poster is back here. Maybe he is another fan of yours.
61 posted on 09/04/2002 6:10:30 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: MadIvan
Blair just needs to make his case - which is something he hasn't done hitherto.

Bush needs to do the same. Then things can get rolling.

62 posted on 09/04/2002 7:23:50 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: wimpycat
Consultation with the UN= Hey, UN! Just wanted to let you know we're going in. How much support can we expct from you? Let's consult on it.

The UN will be in charge of fretting and hand-wringing, while continuing to collect their stipend from the USA.

63 posted on 09/04/2002 7:28:30 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: bushfamfan
Many people compare Blair to Clintoon, but they make the mistake that PM Blair is able to look at things honestly and isn't destructive in politics as Clintoon was. I have found respect for Tony Blair and those British PM's are tough ones and it's great he hasn't joined in on the anti-Americanism that is sweeping the continent. I like the man.

To me, the main difference between Blair and Clinton is that although they are both "third-way" liberal politicians -- third way = media-savvy polititicos who are aligned with business interests that "toe the liberal line", Blair seems to be genuine, whereas Clinton is totally and sociopathically cynical, a self-aggrandizing buffoon. Ditto for his evil spouse, except that she is a power mad monster.

64 posted on 09/04/2002 8:02:59 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: MadIvan
Most certainly, our finest and bravest will be in there with you, however.

Many thanks to yours and ours.

65 posted on 09/04/2002 8:04:31 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: claptrap
Dont worry Iraq, these two wobblies arent going to do anything.

I for one would prefer to find a solution to islamist terrorism that would avoid declaring war on a billion people. Regarding our passive response to Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, etc. I have no argument with you. We should bring the hammer down on them big time. And too bad that Bush will not do that unless another MAJOR incident occurs that is directly traceable to them. They get a pass in favor of international relations. But it's not about Islam per say, IMO, it's about the militant insurgency within Islam, the islamic militants. As many of them as there are, and wherever they are, they should be obliterated.

66 posted on 09/04/2002 8:12:31 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Orangedog
RE: 25.

Interesting hypothesis!

67 posted on 09/04/2002 8:17:24 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Grampa Dave
Time to kick Saddam's A$$ and sieze his gas!

How inseeeeensitive! LOL!

68 posted on 09/04/2002 8:22:01 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: GretchenEE
Rumsfeld made the case quite forcefully that our best intelligence on where the WMD's were stored in Iraq came not from weapons inspections, but from family members who defected, who were later slaughtered (God only knows what torture they endured first) by Saddam.

IMO, the whole weapons inspection program was a fiasco, a game of "Two-card Monty", wherein neophytes like Scott Ritter -- now a paid agent of Iraqi interests -- were totally bamboozled into thinking that they had "discovered" any significant elements of Saddam's WMD programs in the early 90's. It was all a sham. The inspectors inspected where Saddam permitted them to inspect. It was a child's game, and Saddam won and we lost, that's all. Why else would that butt kissing Ritter be putting up such a fight (aside from being paid by Iraqi interests)? It's because once the truth comes out, his credibility will be lower than that of an Arkansaw politician or aattorney.

Weapons inspection is a losing, PC/UN proposition, as VP Cheney and Secretary Rumsfeld so ably pointed out this past week. Powell, well, what can one say? He was wrong in '91 and he is wrong today.

69 posted on 09/04/2002 8:36:50 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Grampa Dave
RE: 44

ROFLMAO!

70 posted on 09/04/2002 8:48:46 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: MadIvan
Because if we don't meet him in war on our terms, eventually he'll meet us in war on his.

Yes. How often in history has this lesson been lost? Thereafter, the price rises painfully, non?

71 posted on 09/04/2002 9:09:52 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Grampa Dave
LOL! The best cartoon I've seen in weeks!
72 posted on 09/04/2002 9:10:24 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: texasbluebell
LOL!
73 posted on 09/04/2002 9:13:29 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: MJY1288
"History's unmarked grave of discarded lies."

Bump!

74 posted on 09/04/2002 9:14:50 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: MadIvan; rs79bm
Excellent picture.

And, if I recall correctly, this was from an awesome speech by both leaders immediately post 9-11. Bush was stand up. So was Blair. Made me proud to be citizen of the USA and a kindred of the Brits. Sempre Fi.

75 posted on 09/04/2002 9:22:06 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham; GVgirl
This is one great political cartoon!:

This PIA, Saddam is about 11 years overdue for removal.

76 posted on 09/04/2002 10:00:38 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: MadIvan
I think its going to go down and soon.

Can anyone else see history reapeating?

Along the same lines as the most recent incursion into Ashcanistan. Tony Blair will go public with "our" combined intel, this time on the Iraqi WMD programs etc.This will give the world the impression that this is not just a "cowboy" gone crazy sort of thing.

Bush or his assigns will petition the UN in such a way as to make it clear that we are going in regardless. Once this was made clear in 1991 by his Pop we had many more "coalition" members than we did when we started.

You know its an election year when it comes to war on Iraq nothing of any real consequence is being uttered by the Dems, and most of what is being reported as opposition to the war is coming from the previous ,Bush41, administration. Most of that critisism is due to lack of "Coalition".

This will be rectified soon and when the talking heads revisit the previous objectors they will have had a change in opinion. This will leave a large vacum in the anti-war block of heads,that will swallow any Dem that opens his mouth in opposition at such time.....

77 posted on 09/05/2002 12:22:42 AM PDT by freethinkingman
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To: freethinkingman; All
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The pool is still open and predictions are still being accepted!

78 posted on 09/05/2002 7:54:46 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
The difference between Blair and Clinton is simple. I disagree violently with Blair on many things, however I generally do not doubt that he believes in what he is saying, and that his belief is genuine. This is not to say that his beliefs are always coherent or backed by empirical evidence - far from it - but he is not the disingenuous, grasping huckster that Clinton is. And that was what made Clinton so dangerous: his sole cause was Bill Clinton, and satiating his desires whenever possible - for power, for money, for sex, for greasy food, what have you. And it was that man who had the power to blow up the world for 8 years.

Breathing a sigh of relief now that he's gone? My sigh in January 2001 could have been heard all the way in Sydney. ;)

Regards, Ivan

79 posted on 09/05/2002 12:17:37 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Agree, friend. Sorry we inflicted him on you.
80 posted on 09/05/2002 8:06:34 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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