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The likely scenario:

That was close.

Regards, Ivan

1 posted on 09/01/2002 1:38:59 AM PDT by MadIvan
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2 posted on 09/01/2002 1:39:25 AM PDT by MadIvan
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"When my son was 19, he was wild, stupid, and even crazy and kept bad company and did make some mistakes and minor misdemeanours, but he changed after those days."

Yeah, he got worse.

4 posted on 09/01/2002 1:45:21 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree
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Thank God he was flying from Sweden. If he had boarded in Miami he would have gotten on with the gun. Then when the jets were scrambled, it would have been a crap shoot as to whether or not the closest interceptor was armed. Do I sound cynical? I am.The World Trade Centers were destoyed, for God's sake. These bastards are everywhere and we're so afraid of hurting somebody's feelings that we've decided to let another 200 Saudis learn aviation here. It's like, why are we training the enemy air force?
7 posted on 09/01/2002 1:57:58 AM PDT by mict42
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Reuters -- SNIP ... A top police official said he had taken flying lessons in the United States -- adding to fears of copycat attacks as the first anniversary of the September 11 hijack attacks on New York and Washington approaches.

A highly placed intelligence source said police were hunting four more men, including an explosives expert, who were believed to have worked on the plan with the suspect.

8 posted on 09/01/2002 2:58:43 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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Karem Chatty (Expressen Newspaper)
Karem Chatty: Gun found in toiletries bag (BBC)

9 posted on 09/01/2002 3:02:13 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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Swedish police face hijack deadline
By Jan Strupczewski

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Swedish police are scrambling to meet a legal deadline to charge a man of Tunisian origin suspected of a plane hijack plot just days before the first anniversary of September 11 attacks on the United States. More...

12 posted on 09/01/2002 4:25:36 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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"...I cannot stop crying about this. It is a catastrophe for our family."

Well, let me tell you something, you Swedish Bitch in a Luxury House overlooking a lake...there are one hell of a lot of people who are having trouble stopping crying since 9/11 when the buddies of your spawn butchered their family members!

If you are looking for sympathy, may I suggest the dictionary...you will find it between suicide and syphillus!

13 posted on 09/01/2002 4:35:24 AM PDT by Redleg Duke
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That was close. - yes but is it enough to open the eyes of the Guardian reading liberals.
London too is in imminent danger of been attacked, and steps need to be taken to prevent this.
Speaking to (some) Londoners I feel another 911 needs to take place in front of their eyes for them to be opened. “Least we forget” - has been forgotten – “the price of liberty is eternal vigilance” - has been ridiculed.

I would like to believe that this near miss will awaken the people of Britain - but I think we can all picture the editorial in the Mirror and the Guardian – “America should withdraw their embassies from Europe as they pose a threat to the safety of the nation blah blah blah...”

14 posted on 09/01/2002 4:41:42 AM PDT by Free_at_last_-2001
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With European gun laws, I don't think he "forgot" his gun was in the baggage. Bet it wasn't registered.

I do question the part about flying the plane into the US embassy. From the air, it would be hard to find. You need a good target...which is why the twin towers (sticking up on the south end of Manhatten) and the Pentagon (go down the river and aim slightly south when you see the large pentagonal building) were hit, and the Pennsylvania plane would have probably hit the US Capitol, not the whitehouse, which is hard to see from the air...

I haven't flown over London so what do you guys who fly to Europe guess was the target?

17 posted on 09/01/2002 5:34:59 AM PDT by LadyDoc
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Here's Chatty....

Not too happy here. Booking photo?

Happier times. " Many virgins await me" He looks dopey enough to believe that ruse.

18 posted on 09/01/2002 5:42:05 AM PDT by csvset
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When my son was 19, he was wild, stupid, and even crazy and kept bad company and did make some mistakes and minor misdemeanours, but he changed after those days.

Translation: "I dun been manifested by a miracle, I don' eat no swine, I don' drink no wine."

19 posted on 09/01/2002 5:54:30 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets
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Chatty, a keep-fit fanatic with a Swedish mother and Tunisian father

Crazy caucasian bitches would never understand that their marriages (or, more possible, just copulating) with Musli bullshit machos inevitably lead not only to their own suffering in the end of the day, but to creation of weird offspring which doesn't feel itself at home with neither Mom's, nor Dad's religion and culture.

Thus the need not just to 'convert' to Islam, but to become an Islamist, i.e. a terrorist.

20 posted on 09/01/2002 7:01:53 AM PDT by Neophyte
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Thanks, the UK wake up call is now going on in ernest.

The UK like American is so proud of its diversity and politically correct stands. Those stands have enabled these Islamakazis to establish beach heads.

Of course, Sweden is the birthplace of understanding of criminals, diversity and other perverted scums living there!
26 posted on 09/01/2002 8:37:50 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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It would seem odd that the target was the US Embassy in London. Since Stansted is the hub for Ryanair, the 737 would have a relatively small fuel load by the time it arrived in London. It would have caused some damage, probably smaller than the Pentagon damage, and it would have had some symbolic value. But it would have been nothing like the WTC, where large aircraft, heavily laden with fuel, caused large structures to collapse and created a really spectacular result.
27 posted on 09/01/2002 8:55:28 AM PDT by Lessismore
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Chatty was believed to be on his way to a conference of Muslims in Birmingham dedicated to purifying Islam, run by Salafi Publications, an Islamic bookshop. Salafi is a strong fundamentalist form of Islam that seeks to return the religion to ancient beliefs.

Adherents are thought to have included Mohamed Atta, the leader of the September 11 hijackers, who was carrying a Salafi tract in his luggage.

According to another article (see link below), not only Atta and others on 911, but also Osama and his followers all belong/belonged to Salafi Islam.

So it matters not whether they are all linked to Al Qaeda, what seems to matter the most is that they are linked to Salafi, which is closely allied with Wahhabism. Richard Reid was another Salafi-type. Salafi by the way, is mainly funded by the Saudis, as if we couldn't have guessed this on our own.

I'm getting a bit weary of the denials coming from these imams who think they can still pull the wool over our eyes. Or maybe they are still able to deceive our governments, but I would hope not.

Interesting article at this link, on Salafism:

See link.

And thanks for the ping, Ivan!

28 posted on 09/01/2002 9:45:24 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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I've been trying to say this since 9-11. I guess I will be labeled as a bigoted American. By: An American Airlines Pilot - Captain ???? ?????????


September 11 Grievances

"You worry me. I wish you didn't. I wish when I walked down the streets of this country that I love, that your color and culture still blended with the beautiful human landscape we enjoy in this country. But you don't blend in anymore. I notice you, and it worries me. I notice you because I can't help it anymore. People from your homelands, professing to be Muslims, have been attacking and killing my fellow citizens and our friends for more than 20 years now. I don't fully understand their grievances and hate but I know that nothing can justify the inhumanity of their attacks.

On September 11, nineteen ARAB-MUSLIMS hijacked four jetliners in my country. They cut the throats of women in front of children and brutally stabbed to death others. They took control of those planes and crashed them into buildings killing thousands of proud fathers, loving sons, wise grandparents, elegant daughters, best friends, favorite coaches, fearless public servants, and children's mothers. So I notice you now. I don't want to be worried. I don't want to be consumed by the same rage and hate and prejudice that has destroyed the soul of these terrorists.

But I need your help.

As a rational American, trying to protect my country and family in an irrational and unsafe world, I must know how to tell the difference between you, and the Arab/Muslim terrorist. How do I differentiate between the true Arab-Muslim-Americans and the Arab-Muslims in our communities who are attending our schools, enjoying our parks, and living in OUR communities under the protection of OUR constitution, while they plot the next attack that will slaughter those very same good neighbors and children?

The events of September 11th changed the answer. It is not my responsibility to determine which of you embraces our great country, with ALL of it's religions, with ALL of it's different citizens, with all of it's faults. It is time for every Arab-Muslim in this country to determine it for me.

I want to know, I demand to know, and I have a right to know whether or not you love America. Do you pledge allegiance to it's flag? Do you proudly display in front of your house, or on your car? Do you pray in your many daily prayers that Allah will bless this nation, that He will protect and prosper it?

Or do you pray that Allah with destroy it in one of your "Jihads"? Are you thankful for the freedom that only this nation affords? A freedom that was paid for by the blood of hundreds of thousands of patriots who gave their lives for this country? Are you willing to preserve this freedom by paying the ultimate sacrifice? Do you love America?

If this is your commitment, then I need YOU to start letting ME know about it. Your Muslim leaders in this nation should be flooding the media at this time with hard facts on your faith, and what hard actions you are taking as a community and as a religion to protect the United States of America.

Please, no more benign overtures of regret for the death of the innocent because I worry about who you regard as innocent. And no more benign overtures of condemnation for the unprovoked attacks because I worry about what is unprovoked to you.

I am not interested in any more sympathy ...I am only interested in action.

What will you do for America-our great country-at this time of crisis, at this time of war?

I want to see Arab-Muslims waving the AMERICAN flag in the streets. I want to hear you chanting "Allah Bless America". I want to see young Arab-Muslim men enlisting in the military. I want to see a commitment of money, time, and emotion to the victims of this butchering and to this nation as a whole.

The FBI has a list of over 400 people they want to talk to regarding the WTC attack. Many of these people live and socialize in Muslim communities. You know them. You know where they are.

Hand them over to us, now!

But I have seen little even approaching this sort of action.

Instead I have seen an already closed and secretive community close even tighter. You have disappeared from the streets. You have posted armed security guards at your facilities. You have threatened lawsuits. You have screamed for protection from reprisals. The very few Arab-Muslim representatives that HAVE appeared in the media were defensive and equivocating. They seemed more concerned with making sure that the United States prove who was responsible before taking action. They seemed more concerned with protecting their fellow Muslims from violence directed towards them in the United States and abroad than they did with supporting our country and denouncing "leaders" like Khadafi, Hussein, Farrakhan, and Arafat.

If the true teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance and peace and love for all people then I want chapter and verse from the Koran and statements from popular Muslim leaders to back it up. What good is it if the teachings in the Koran are good and pure and true when your "leaders" are teaching fanatical interpretations, terrorism, and intolerance. It matters little how good Islam SHOULD BE if large numbers of the world's Muslims interpret the teachings of Mohammed incorrectly and adhere to a degenerative form of the religion.

A form that has been demonstrated to us over and over again. A form whose structure is built upon a foundation of violence, death, and suicide. A form whose members are recruited from the prisons around the world. A form whose members defended Johnny Cochran and O. J. Simpson after the latter butchered his wife and murdered an innocent friend. A form whose members (some as young a five years old) are seen day after day, week in and week out, year after year, marching in the streets around the world, burning effigies of our presidents, burning the American flag, shooting weapons into the air. A form whose members convert from a peaceful religion, only to take up arms against the great United States of America, the country of their birth. A form whose rules are so twisted, that their traveling members refuse to show their faces at airport security checkpoints, in the name of Islam.

Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because our women proudly show their faces in public rather than cover up like a shameful whore? Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because we drink wine with dinner, or celebrate Christmas? Do you and you fellow Muslims hate us because we have befriended Israel, the ONLY civilized democratic nation in the entire middle-east? And if you and your fellow Muslims hate us, then why in the world are you even here? Are you here to take our money? Are you here to undermine our peace and stability? Are you here to destroy us?

If so, I want you to leave. I want you to go back to your desert sandpit where women are treated like rats and dogs. I want you to take your religion, your friends, and your family back to your Islamic extremists, and STAY THERE! We will NEVER give in to your influence, your retarded mentality, your twisted, violent, intolerant religion.

We will NEVER allow the attacks of September 11, or any others for that matter, to take away that which is so precious to us: Our rights under the greatest constitution in the world.

I want to know where every Arab-Muslim in this country stands and I think it is my right and the right of every true citizen of this country to demand it. A right paid for by the blood of thousands of my brothers and sisters who died protecting the very constitution that is protecting you and your family. I am pleading with you to let me know. I want you here as my brother, my neighbor, my friend, as a fellow American. But there can be no gray areas or ambivalence regarding your allegiance and it is up to YOU, to show ME, where YOU stand." "

Until then ... you worry me." ""




31 posted on 09/01/2002 11:23:34 AM PDT by B-Cause
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My question: why do they all train here? Is it because other countries keep a closer eye on people going there for any kind of training and we have become soft....
33 posted on 09/01/2002 11:46:20 AM PDT by chance33_98
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I just love this line: "he never intended to use it"

How do they know what he "intended" to do? Besides, isn't this the standard line for liberals - it's their intentions that count, not their actions?
35 posted on 09/01/2002 12:11:40 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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"he was jailed for nine months in 1998 for possessing a machine pistol and has convictions for possessing a shotgun, theft, driving without a licence and receiving stolen goods.
Chatty's parents, protested his innocence, as they spoke from their luxury home, which overlooks a lake in a quiet village north of Stockholm."

I wonder if the luxury home was paid for by welfare checks or father & son business...
36 posted on 09/01/2002 12:55:11 PM PDT by Vetnor
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bttt
42 posted on 09/01/2002 9:26:45 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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