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Yes, we need a 'regime change' in this rogue state... (Euro Author: Europe should invade America)
Independent ^ | August 9th, 2002 | Adrian Hamilton

Posted on 08/12/2002 2:01:40 PM PDT by JURB

Its government has no majority. It refuses arms monitoring. Its opponents are locked up without trial

Adrian Hamilton

09 August 2002

The idea that a pre-emptive strike could save the world a heap of trouble isn't entirely idle. Think, if Genghis Khan could have been taken out when he was still the leader of just a band and not the whole Mongol race, Europe and Asia would have been saved several million dead and the destruction of much of its civilisation. Remove Napoleon from the scene on his return from his ill-fated Egyptian foray and Europe would have been a different place.

The last century doesn't provide such good examples, of course. To have "changed regime" in Berlin in the early Thirties would have meant overturning a democratically elected leader in Hitler. As for the efforts by the allies to stop the course of the Russian revolution with troops after 1918, the results were disastrous despite having well-armed local allies.

Nonetheless George Bush has done something in the last week to set out the parameters to pre-emptive action. "We owe it," he put it in Maine last weekend, "to the future of civilisation not to allow the world's worst leaders to develop and deploy and therefore blackmail free countries with the world's worst weapons." And he went on to define such enemies of the people as regimes intent on building up weapons of mass destruction, oblivious of international law and UN resolutions, governments who imprisoned their opponents without trial and who could not claim democratic legitimacy at home.

Significantly, nowhere in the series of speeches he made this week did Mr Bush actually name these rogue regimes. But it is pretty clear reading the descriptions whom he must have meant. The government which is spending by far the most on weapons of mass destruction, and is now planning to raise its budget by an increase greater than the total defence spending of Europe, is, of course, based in Washington. Not only is it building an arsenal the like of which the world has never seen, it has unilaterally withdrawn from the treaties designed to limit the spread of nuclear weapons, and has refused to accept any kind of international monitoring of its chemical or nuclear weapons facilities.

It has a government in power without the legitimacy of a democratic majority, in the hands of a coterie from a single part of the country and clearly aiming at a dynasty of rule. Its rhetoric is one of violent aggression against anyone seen as its enemies. It opponents are locked up without trial or the right to habeas corpus.

Of course there are those who say the country's threats are greatly exaggerated and the rhetoric of world mastery must not be confused with a real intention of using its weaponry in defiance of international law. True, it has a has a history of interfering with and invading its neighbours – Panama, Grenada, Haiti et al. But since the long and debilitating war in Vietnam, it has kept largely to its own region.

Of course it has a peculiarly obnoxious regime, ready to poison its own people with corrupt capitalism and deregulated pollution. But give it time, and pressure from the outside world, and it will pay up its UN dues, rejoin the nuclear proliferation pacts and the Kyoto treaty and start behaving as a responsible member of the community again.

Against this, the hard men of the right would say that time is exactly what the world does not have on its side. Washington has showed itself determined to enforce its hegemony, come what may. It has shown itself ready to use weapons of aerial bombardment that make no discrimination between combatants and civilians, to show precious little remorse when it is guilty of "mistakes".

It is no friend of democracy, having announced its refusal to deal with the only two elected leaders of the Islamic world – Khatami in Iran and Yasser Arafat in Palestine, the latter the only Arab leader ever elected with western observers checking the process. The country has armed and succoured state terrorism and assassination by the Israelis. It has installed the worst sort of warlord gangsters in Afghanistan and, according to "intelligence", been party to upsetting (albeit briefly) the elected president of Venezuela. The world cannot afford to await its next move.

The problem remains the practicalities. Whereas in Afghanistan the allies could rely on a local opposition force on the ground, no such scenario can be relied on in this case. The Spanish speaking minority in the south might be induced to rise up. There could be assistance from Minutemen in the mountains. But the democratic opposition is too defeated and divided to provide much help. The answer could be an "inside-out" strategy using special forces to take Washington and a few key nuclear bases. Provided the rest of the country was left to get on with its business, there would probably be little internal opposition to a seizure of the capital.

That leaves the substantial problem of an "exit strategy". There is no point in a repeat of 1812. But the experience of America in Japan after the Second World War could provide a model. A period of occupation of five to 10 years could provide an opportunity to inculcate ideas of true democracy, with a fair electoral system based on absolute majority, abolition of the death penalty, introduction of unions into hi-tech industries and a break- up of the Zaibatsu, the overweening corporations such as Microsoft, Exxon and General Electric.

Given time, this rogue superstate might then be able to take its place once again among the family of peace- loving nations.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: eurodnatrash; euroslosers; euroweenie; eurowetdream; eurowhiningweasels; whoneedseuropeans
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Putting aside the preponderance of drivel contained in this editorial, this guy's invasion strategy is severely flawed in one key aspect: he forgets the 2nd ammendment. Lock 'n load...
1 posted on 08/12/2002 2:01:40 PM PDT by JURB
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To: JURB
Yep, Bush is a tyrant and Hitler a democratically-elected leader. No spin here.
2 posted on 08/12/2002 2:07:36 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: JURB
Where was the "barf alert" warning? :)




3 posted on 08/12/2002 2:10:48 PM PDT by Tomalak
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To: JURB
We sound send a couple of Boy Scout and Girl Scout groups over and declare war on the drugged out and inner bred Euro Trash. In less than a week, the Euro Trash DNA Perverts would surrender.

$crew the Axis of Whining Europeans. We have all of their good people. The rest are the perverted dredges of society.

They could fight their own shadows.

Time we declared an economic war on all of them.
4 posted on 08/12/2002 2:11:31 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Should have been:

They could not fight their own shadows.
5 posted on 08/12/2002 2:13:07 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Tomalak
I did add the "Euro Author: Europe should invade America" rejoinder. Frankly, that is pretty much an implied barf alert, although I find this article more humorous than barf-worthy. Maybe I should have placed it under 'Humor'.
6 posted on 08/12/2002 2:15:48 PM PDT by JURB
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To: JURB
If this guy worries so much about absolute majorities being the only legitimate form of government, he as a problem close to home. British Prime Ministers can be elected by a majority of PMs despite their party having received less than half the vote.

Hitler was democratically elected? What is this guy smoking?

As for keeping to our "own region," perhaps we should have done that in 1917 and 1944 as well? If we had, no doubt his screed would have had to have been translated from der Deutsche before we could read it.

7 posted on 08/12/2002 2:16:14 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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If the EU intends going to invade and overthrow, they will get a heck of a battle from Mexico, whose own envelopment strategy is well underway.
8 posted on 08/12/2002 2:16:26 PM PDT by RightWhale
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Europe? Take us on?

ROFLMAOSMMD!!!

Is this guy on a controlled substance?
9 posted on 08/12/2002 2:17:01 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: JURB
this guy's invasion strategy is severely flawed in one key aspect: he forgets the 2nd ammendment. Lock 'n load...

Yes, the English historically seem to have blinders regarding firearms on this side of the pond. Let's see if Adrian Hamilton and his fellow girly-men can do as well as their forefathers did against ours. They'd probably do better in Assholeachusetts and the northeastern former colonies that have disarmed themselves, but those of us from the south would more than make up for it - we'd be smoking cigars in those cheesy London smoking clubs within weeks.

10 posted on 08/12/2002 2:17:23 PM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: RightWhale
A Good One.......:-)
11 posted on 08/12/2002 2:19:15 PM PDT by Dog
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To: JURB
It would seem that these socialist sissies would like to forget their rescue at the hands of the "corrupt capitalists". Perhaps the next time they turn on one another we should leave them to it.
12 posted on 08/12/2002 2:19:46 PM PDT by prov1813man
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To: hchutch
Lock n Load boys...
13 posted on 08/12/2002 2:21:00 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Billthedrill
I did find this comment interesting:

To have "changed regime" in Berlin in the early Thirties would have meant overturning a democratically elected leader in Hitler.

He speaks like that is a bad thing. Of course, since he uses the familiar leftist whining refrain that Bush wasn't democratically elected, that totally justifies an invasion and overthrow of US government. Thus, invading Germany and taking out Hitler in the 1930's is a bad thing, invading America = good thing. Glad to see this guy has his priorities straight.

14 posted on 08/12/2002 2:25:03 PM PDT by JURB
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To: KellyAdmirer
Sure. The bastards only want us to intervene to save their a**es, like we did twice in the last century, but other than that, we should just leave them alone. No doubt this author has been the recipient of American tax dollars at some point in his worthless life since the US generously "gives" to every welfare state in the world and rarely asks anything in return. I guess it was O.K. to spend billions blowing up Serbia; something the worthless, cowardly, wine-sucking Eurotrash were incapable of doing on their own. Even the fifth-rate Argentines kicked a little British butt in the Falklands "war".

The jerk-offs represented by this author could never have survived if the US hadn't finally led to Hitler's demise.

The US is not now, nor has it ever been a "pure" democracy. Mob rule destroyed Greece and every other so-called democracy. I say sure, send over those Nato-UN blue helmets and find out what the 2nd Amendment means. The Brits can't even control the crime in London's streets.

15 posted on 08/12/2002 2:29:27 PM PDT by 45Auto
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To: JURB
Bring it on, O Eurotrash!

To the victors go the spoils!

Europe would be the new eastern states of America.

16 posted on 08/12/2002 2:31:33 PM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: JURB
The problem remains the practicalities.

At no point need we take this sort of thing seriously - this kind of heavy-handed parody is regarded as "tongue-in-cheek" by a nearly monolithically humorless left. But as long as we're citing historical precedents, I can think of one other example where an outside force came into a country divided against itself in order to make things right: Vietnam.

As for tossing off the occupation of Washington D.C. as a light matter, I'd quote Rick in Casablanca: "There are parts of New York, Colonel, where I wouldn't advise the Wehrmacht to go."

17 posted on 08/12/2002 2:35:34 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: JURB
Europe is a dungheap,do you think it would have any effect if terrorists took out the EIFFEL TOWER?
18 posted on 08/12/2002 2:39:31 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: Billthedrill
I suppose you're right about this being a feeble attempt at lefty humor. Considering the awesome military might of the US, the author should be very glad that we are not a truly war-like nation, or else we would have used our power to do exactly as Mr. (or Ms) Hamilton suggests: impose our rule on the whole damn world. Personally I would be against that, not because I consider myself part of the "peace-loving nations", but because it would be very expensive to administer all that territory.
19 posted on 08/12/2002 2:43:55 PM PDT by 45Auto
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To: Billthedrill
I know this thing is "tongue-and-cheek", but what makes it funny is that you just know deep-down-inside people like Adrian Peterson secretly wishes this could become reality, that the EU had the might and wherewithal to make this scenario come to fruition. It is what the wet dreams of the Euro-left--and their US sympathizers--are made of.
20 posted on 08/12/2002 2:45:35 PM PDT by JURB
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