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Mars ice could flood planet
BBC News ^ | Tuesday, 28 May, 2002, 15:56 GMT 16:56 UK | Dr David Whitehouse

Posted on 05/28/2002 1:34:11 PM PDT by Fedupwithit

Scientists have revealed the full technical details of their discovery of vast reservoirs of ice beneath the Martian surface.

So much ice has been found in the polar regions that if it were to melt it would deluge the planet.

The ice may stretch far underground to regions where it is warm, raising the possibility of warm caverns of meltwater in which scientists hesitantly speculate conditions could be suitable for life.

But they caution that we may never know until we have rock and ice samples returned to Earth by an unmanned probe for analysis.

Third time lucky

William Boynton, of the Lunar and Planetary Institute of the University of Arizona, US, is lead author on one of a trio of pioneering Mars papers published in this week's issue of Science magazine.


We saw ice where we had expected to. The signal was so strong it just knocked us over


Dr William Boynton

He regards the sensational findings of ice below the surface of Mars as third time lucky.

"Twice I was close to this," he told BBC News Online. "We detected the subsurface ice using an instrument on Mars Odyssey that was also on the Mars Observer spacecraft.

"That probe reached Mars 10 years ago, but blew up when it got there - so, we could have found [the ice] then."

Quick start

And Dr Boynton could also have found it with the ill-fated Mars Polar Lander spacecraft. It crashed into the planet's polar regions in 1999.

"It would have landed on precisely the place where we now see the ice. Polar Lander had a scoop that would have been able to dig and reach the ice so just think what we could have seen if that mission had been a success."

Fortunately, Mars Odyssey has been a resounding success.

"We started seeing the signal from the ice within a few days of starting our survey of the planet," he said.

"We saw ice where we had expected to. The signal was so strong it just knocked us over."

Lost oceans

The Gamma-Ray Spectrometer, one of several sensors on board Mars Odyssey able to find evidence of ice reserves, is only able to look about a metre (three feet) beneath the surface.

Mars water facts

Ice crystals less than one metre (three feet) below Mars surface

Located south of 60 degrees latitude

Melted, would create planet-wide ocean 500 metres deep

Nasa may commit to landing in less than 20 years

"We can see an awful lot of water there," said Dr Boynton, "but why should it stop there? It may go down 10 metres, a 100 metres or even kilometres."

The underground ice solves one of the deepest and longstanding mysteries about the Red Planet: where did the water go?

All over its surface there is evidence that in the distant past copious amounts of water flowed. We can see dried up river lakes, ancient shorelines, and vast, empty canyons.

Now, scientists know where all this water has gone - it is frozen deep underground.

"This is where the lost oceans have gone," Dr Boynton told BBC News Online.

It has been found exactly where it was predicted - Poleward of 60 degrees south, where the average temperature and soil properties would allow ice to form.

Possibility for life

If Mars were to become much warmer for some reason and the ice melted, it would drench the planet to an average depth of between half and one kilometre.

But what of life?

William Boynton

Boynton: Impressed with results

"Well, it's a little hard to say," speculated Dr Boynton. "If the ice is deep enough, there could be regions where it gets warm enough to melt and that would mean pockets of warm water underground.

"That would be very exciting - but we will not know for sure until we bring back a sample for analysis."

And the Mars Odyssey data has provided another ironic twist in the history of exploring the Red Planet.

In 1976, two sophisticated American spacecraft, Vikings 1 and 2, landed on the planet. They scooped up some soil and looked for life. Most scientists believe they found none. But Viking 2 may have come close.

"Our findings indicate that perhaps just a metre below Viking 2, there may have been a lot of ice. It may have got so far yet so close to finding ice on Mars," said Dr Boynton.

And the scientist who endured two failed missions and 17 years to solve one of the greatest planetary mysteries chuckles to himself.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: lostmarslander; lostmarsprobe; mars
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Oh no!! Our Greenhouse gases are out of control! We are starting to affect Mars!!

: )

1 posted on 05/28/2002 1:34:11 PM PDT by Fedupwithit
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To: Fedupwithit
Inter-Galactic planetary warming is real threat to our solar system.
2 posted on 05/28/2002 1:37:10 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Send the Algae!
3 posted on 05/28/2002 1:39:42 PM PDT by kinghorse
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To: kinghorse
"Send the Algae!"

LOL. I just saw the movie on cable. Be sure and bring Russian batteries . . .

4 posted on 05/28/2002 1:44:02 PM PDT by Neanderthal
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To: Fedupwithit
Quick. Someone call Noah the Martian.
5 posted on 05/28/2002 1:50:56 PM PDT by Cagey
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To: Cagey
Aren't there higher areas like our continents? Or deep craters that would fill? Certainly Mons Olympus wouldn't go under...

Ari

6 posted on 05/28/2002 1:54:14 PM PDT by Krafty123
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To: Cagey
Noah the Martian?

Please tell me you meant Marvin the Martian..

: )

7 posted on 05/28/2002 1:57:19 PM PDT by Fedupwithit
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To: Fedupwithit
"We can see an awful lot of water there," said Dr Boynton, "but why should it stop there? It may go down 10 metres, a 100 metres or even kilometres

A 1 to 10 ratio, or 1 to 1000 ratio. So, they have no idea how much ice is down there.

If Mars were to become much warmer for some reason and the ice melted, it would drench the planet to an average depth of between half and one kilometre.

Or, a 1 to 2 ratio.

Great scientists, time to put them to work on the sea heights after global warming.

8 posted on 05/28/2002 1:57:28 PM PDT by aShepard
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To: Fedupwithit
It's really getting hard to hide in this solar system.

Activate Plan 9.

Over and out.

9 posted on 05/28/2002 2:14:26 PM PDT by PoorMuttly
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To: Fedupwithit
Cool! A 54,000,000,000 square mile skaing rink, open all year!
10 posted on 05/28/2002 2:17:22 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Fedupwithit
Better get there quick,build some dams,lakes and stock them with fish.
11 posted on 05/28/2002 3:24:18 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: Fedupwithit
Gee, I don't know why we are so blind.

Mars had an atmosphere, oceans,land masses, just like Earth.

BUT, they tainted their fresh water sources. They used up the fertility of their soil. All the land based life and plants died. The soil, no longer held in place by plants, turned into dust storms. Eventually the atmoshphere, for the most part vanished.

The atmosphere there, and here on Earth, is a system that is in a very delicate balance. The outer parts protect us from certain rays of the sun, and help to hold in the nitrogen/oxygen and other gases we breathe. These gases are put there BY THE PLANTS. If you destroy the ability of the soil to grow plants, it is not long before all landbased life dies. Without plants to regenerate the atmosphere, the balance of the layers in the atmosphere is corrupted, and it slowly dissipates. The land is ravaged by wind storms, all signs of life are covered over with dust, and eventually the oceans freeze.

This is what happened to Mars, and we will make Earth the same, if we are not more careful.

12 posted on 05/28/2002 4:55:06 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
This is a joke, right?
13 posted on 05/28/2002 5:50:24 PM PDT by yankeedame
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To: yankeedame
This is a joke, right?

The Martians aren't laughing

14 posted on 05/28/2002 7:09:08 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
You overestimate mans influence. Not nice.
15 posted on 05/28/2002 8:23:32 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle
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To: UCANSEE2
Hey if your right, damn, you know how much oil would be there? We could strip mine the damn place straight to hell. Of course I assume your just joking, since you do understand that there is no known signs of life ever having been there, and making a theory up about it without evidence is a sign of mental illness.
16 posted on 05/28/2002 10:30:26 PM PDT by Sonny M
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To: Fedupwithit
Richard C. Hoagland is on Art Bell NOW talking about the ice on Mars. No audio link, but here is the link to the site for more info. Art Bell
17 posted on 05/28/2002 10:51:52 PM PDT by jrewingjr
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To: Sonny M
since you do understand that there is no known signs of life ever having been there, and making a theory up about it without evidence is a sign of mental illness.

Well, then, there are a ton of mentally ill scientists because there are significant signs of life on Mars. The life may currently be on the microscopic scale, but there are signs.

18 posted on 05/29/2002 12:29:48 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Balding_Eagle
Look how cold dinosaur farts made Earth. Now we're facing a global warming "disaster" caused by methane emission from cows. < /sarcasm >
19 posted on 05/29/2002 12:33:38 AM PDT by weegee
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To: Fedupwithit
If Mars floods, it'll somehow be the fault of "evil" Republicans.
20 posted on 05/29/2002 12:35:48 AM PDT by weegee
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