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Don't end celibacy for priests
Washington Times ^ | Tuesday, May 28, 2002 | Joel Mowbray

Posted on 05/27/2002 10:57:55 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:54:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

When the U.S. bishops meet next month for their annual gathering, their primary focus will be on expediting the process for punishing abusers, and hopefully dealing with bishops and cardinals who provided safe haven for predator priests. But the real challenge for the Catholic Church in the long run is directing its attention to fighting those using the scandal as a Trojan horse to surreptitiously undermine traditional Catholic teaching on sexuality.


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Tuesday, May 28, 2002

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1 posted on 05/27/2002 10:57:55 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: *Catholic_list

2 posted on 05/27/2002 11:05:59 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: JohnHuang2
I go back and forth on this issue. The offenders took vows of celibacy, and have broken them. They knew from before Day 1, that it was a requirement for the service. Would not ending celibacy for priests be akin to rewarding the offenders? Making them the new "revolutionaries" who got the church out of its "archaic" views? I fear that.

On the other hand, would ending celibacy end this abuse of children and minors? Celibacy does not specify age, only ALL sex, regardless. Would a man who is married, and a priest, have an aversion to molesting a child in his "care" if he already had an attraction to the innocent, and voiceless?

Mrs Kus

3 posted on 05/27/2002 11:06:44 PM PDT by cgk
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To: JohnHuang2; Libertarianize the GOP; cgk
Why do Eastern rites catholic get a pass at celibacy? Their priests can marry.

I guess if I was for example Irish and wanted to a wife and wanted to be a priest in the Catholic church I would head on out to one of those Uniate Churches and get all that I want via a very big Papal loophole.

4 posted on 05/27/2002 11:17:13 PM PDT by Spar
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To: Spar;patent;Diago
Maybe you can address spar's question.
5 posted on 05/27/2002 11:20:53 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Spar
Good question... I'm afraid I'm rather naive about the different factions of the Church. I wasn't honestly aware that Eastern rite priests had a "pass."

Mrs Kus

6 posted on 05/28/2002 12:04:17 AM PDT by cgk
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To: Spar
Why do Eastern rites catholic get a pass at celibacy? Their priests can marry.

So can priests in the Anglican branch of the Catholic Church.

However, if a priest wants to become a bishop in the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church he must be leading a celibate life. I don't know about the Anglican bishops.

7 posted on 05/28/2002 12:07:52 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Salvation
Anglican bishops have to be gay. Just kidding.
8 posted on 05/28/2002 12:10:55 AM PDT by Chemnitz
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To: Salvation
So can priests in the Anglican branch of the Catholic Church.

Anglo-Catholics aren't in union with Rome. Perhaps you are thinking of the handful of Anglican Use Parishes in the United States. They are considered part of the Latin Rite, however have a distinctive, and very beautiful Liturgy which draws heavily from the Book of Common Prayer.

There are married RC Priests who have entered via the Pastoral Provision, promulgated in 1981. Most of them are former Episcopalians and Lutherans (denominations considered one step from Catholicism). Most of those Priests are not serving in Anglican Use Parishes since there are only 6 or 7 AU Parishes in the United States-most of them in Texas.

9 posted on 05/28/2002 12:25:18 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: JohnHuang2
End celibacy for priests. It is pointless, draws some of the wrong kind of people into the clergy, and occurs in old age in any case.

What kind of inappopriate, intrusive, voyeuristic attention to other people's personal lives gave rise to the celibacy requirement in the first place?

10 posted on 05/28/2002 2:39:04 AM PDT by Tax Government
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To: Tax Government
Read Matthew 19.
11 posted on 05/28/2002 2:42:28 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Tax Government
ummm..... did you read the article above?
12 posted on 05/28/2002 2:54:11 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: JohnHuang2
I think they should end celibacy for married people.
13 posted on 05/28/2002 2:59:04 AM PDT by The Raven
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So true... in fact many homosexuals are married men.

Pedophiles are diseased human beings that must be removed from society.

Marriage will not stop a pedophile from molesting children.

The idea that marriage is a cure for priests who molest children is an example of how problems are addressed today.

A_s-backwards

14 posted on 05/28/2002 3:13:48 AM PDT by johnny7
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To: Tax Government
What kind of inappopriate, intrusive, voyeuristic attention to other people's personal lives gave rise to the celibacy requirement in the first place?

What kind of inappopriate, intrusive, voyeuristic attention to other people's personal lives causes people who have no intention of becoming a Catholic, or a priest, or a celibate, to demand that the free choice of celibacy in the Catholic Church be ended?

15 posted on 05/28/2002 5:34:12 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: JohnHuang2
Catholic priests have a dual devotion to God and parishioners — there simply isn't room in their lives for families of their own.

I disagree with the argument that priests don't have room in their lives for families. Some of the priests have spent plenty of time and energy molesting kids, instead of on their pastorly duties. The sex-obsessed priests with homosexual compulsions spent untold hours plotting their predatory strategies.

The straight priests,on the other hand, may be living lives of desperate lonliness. Parishioners may want their priests to be celibate, but how long can the church survive if mothers refuse to send their sons to what they see as gay-dominated seminaries?

This problem will not be solved for decades because so many people think that celibacy is necessary. The question is, "How many are actualy celibate?"

16 posted on 05/28/2002 8:33:17 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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If reports cited by Father Donald Cozzens, a former head of a seminary, in his book "The Changing Face of the Priesthood" are correct, then 25 to 50 percent of American priests are gay.

I want to know where Cozzens gets his numbers? If he is basing it on what he witnesssed while he was running a seminary and tolerated it, then he is part of the problem.

17 posted on 05/28/2002 8:54:25 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Spar
Why do Eastern rites catholic get a pass at celibacy? Their priests can marry.

While married men may be ordained in the Eastern Rite, once ordained, single priests may not then get married. Should the spouse of the priest die, then the priest must adopt the discipline of celibacy. Same for those Protestant clergy who convert to Catholicism and get ordained as priests. Also, in the Eastern Rite, bishops are selected exclusively from celibate priests.

18 posted on 05/28/2002 8:57:33 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Chemnitz
Anglican bishops have to be gay. Just kidding.
Suppose thats better than be a child molester. Just kidding.
19 posted on 05/28/2002 9:03:51 AM PDT by no need for a name
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Catholic priests have a dual devotion to God and parishioners — there simply isn't room in their lives for families of their own.

This is nonsense. If priests have room in their lives to go to race tracks, and Las Vegas, and prolonged sabbaticals, then they have time for families.

A priest recently relayed to me an interesting story: A Methodist minister who taught at his seminary told him that when he was deathly ill at a hospital, he called a Catholic priest, not a fellow Methodist. The minister gave two reasons; 1) he could call a Catholic priest in the middle of the night guaranteed to reach him, and 2) a Catholic priest is able to give fully of himself to others and would not have a family to tend to.

I also don't believe this goofy story for a minute.

20 posted on 05/28/2002 9:14:02 AM PDT by sinkspur
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