Judge halts bomb training on remote Pacific island

AP via Navy Times ^ | May 02, 2002 | Jaymes Song

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

HONOLULU

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

Here's another good example of how little the enviro-socialists care about their country.

[DugwayDuke]

If the military have been using this as a bombing range for over 30 years and the birds still exist, how is this harming the birds?

[Cicero]

You were expecting rationality, perhaps?

[VOA]

The uninhabited island — measuring 0.3 miles wide and 1.7 miles long — was the only site
in the Western Pacific authorized for live-fire exercises.

In-freakin-credible -- that after winning WWII this is the sum total of turf
the defenders of our freedom are allowed to use to hone their skills.

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

Yep, there's those pesky facts again. Geez, Dugway, the tree-huggers hate it when you use logic.

[VOA]

If the military have been using this as a bombing range for over 30 years and the
birds still exist, how is this harming the birds?

You just know that there is a study by some enviro-freak graduate student from either
the Univ. of California system or an Ivy League school showing that the number of birds
has probably increased because the shelling has sculpted out prime nesting sites
(and the Navy probably just, by accident, doesn't shell during nesting season).

[stumpy]

I suggest that the use of technically guided ordinance be used on the home of the atty, judge and the homes of the group that brought the suit in lieu of the tiny island.

[Ragtime Cowgirl]

Earthjustice Legal Defense for the Center for Biological Diversity

Migratory bird act threatened? Humanity's threatened. Can't "we the people" do something about these groups without going through the courts? Couldn't Congress step in..."When the civilized world's threatened, we'll suspend the enviral laws until all militant Muslim terrorist cells and are eliminated" Bill.

[jackbill]

brown and red-footed boobies

These birds are not "endangered". The whole DemocRAT caucus in the Congress is full of them.

[DugwayDuke]

Evidently one does not have to be familiar with logic to be either an environmentalist or a judge. Pity.

[17th Miss Regt]

Being familiar with logic and being an environmental activist are mutually exclusive categories.

[cynicom]

We use to shoot birds there by the gazillions fifty years ago. No way you could ever rid the island of them.

[etcetera]

Support for the U.S. has nothing to do with it. I live in Hawaii and lots of people object to bombing any islands. There's little enough land to begin with.

When the military takes land for a bombing range, they NEVER return it to civilian use. Case in point is the island of Kahoolawe. While the island was returned to the state by Bush Sr, the island can never be safely used because of the prohibitive cost of ordnance removal. The Navy says some unexploded bombs could be 10 meters deep.

The Army once leased a valley from a Hawaiian family during WWII to use as a firing range. When the lease was up and the Army returned the land, the Feds condemned the valley and walked away from it, saying it couldn't remove all the ordnance. Again, the cost was too prohibitive. The Feds left this family in the lurch. That's what they got for being patriotic.

If you think that we islanders are being unpatriotic, I would suggest that you give the Navy a bombing range somewhere near Martha's Vineyard and see how many people squawk.

[LouD]

“The Navy is not above the law.”

Actually, the so-called rights of animals are not above the right of Americans to national security. These Clymers want to destroy our national security by destroying our military, which, like their hero x42, they hold in contempt.

[Husker24]

Is Marthas Vineyard near the Kennedy compound, if so, that would be a great place to test ordinance.

[Kush]

If you think that we islanders are being unpatriotic, I would suggest that you give the Navy a bombing range somewhere near Martha's Vineyard and see how many people squawk.

Well, here is one American that will personally never squawk if they wanted to bomb that cesspool.

[a_witness]

An injunction to halt bombing and other military training on a tiny Pacific island could hinder America’s ability to defend itself and to prepare for war, a Navy spokesman said. The Navy ceased using Farallon de Medinilla in the U.S. Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands on Tuesday after U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan in Washington issued a 30-day injunction immediately halting all U.S. military activities.

1. Impeach
2. Remove from office
3. Prosecute for treason
4. Repeat as necessary

[thegreatbeast]

Maybe we should just surrender to whoever while we can get good terms. But let's hang Sullivan first.

[Jean S]

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[El Gato]

If you think that we islanders are being unpatriotic, I would suggest that you give the Navy a bombing range somewhere near Martha's Vineyard and see how many people squawk.

Not a bad idea that, shelling, bombing and straffing Martha's Vineyard. ;-) The thing is, this particular island is uninhabited.

As for being able to return a bombing or artillery range back to other uses, I'd say the fault must lie with Congress, since they must appropriate the necessary funds to clean the range up. I know it can be done. The family housing at Vandenberg AFB occupies in part the impact zone of the artillery and tank gunnery range from WW-II days when it was an Army armor training base. ( That information comes from having been on VAFB for six wonderfull weeks (NOT!) as an AFROTC cadet back in the early 70s.)