That said, I am sure the problem of active homosexuality has become much worse in recent decades. No doubt there have always been a lot of priests with homosexual orientations, but I suspect that until recenty the great majority of them either were celibate or practised their vice secretly and with restraint.
Thems fighting words! If you want to see a society TRULY in the throes of pederasty, go to England. Even Tony Blair is kind of swishy.
This pretty much sums up the whole problem with the RCC. You'd never hear a good Catholic use Mary's name in vain.
Pardon my french but, Bull. Priests were molesting alter boys well before Vatican II (you can bet it happened all the way back to the early church). Anglicans (CofE overseas) were involved in molesting there charges along with catholics in the canadian schools for native children (it's going to bankrupt the canadian catholic and anglican churches). This went on all through the 19th and early 20th centuries.
There is not one major orginized religion that has not had a child molester on the pulpit (yep that includes your religion whatever it is). Also schools have this problem. They are attracted to positions of authority with access to children. Simple as that.
If they are committing the work of the Devil, why are they still priests? I'm not Catholic, so please forgive my igorance, but shouldn't they be at least defrocked by the Church (if not excommunicated) and turned over to the authorities? The Pope can't do the turning over to the authorities, but I would think that he darn sure could excommunicate and/or defrock the offenders. If he's going to be taken seriously, he's got to do something like that.
England has had a couple bugger boy priests. One was reported in the Target, an English catholic newspaper.
What a lovely bunch of fellows! I bet they're all very good to their mothers.
Do ya' really need to know any more? On the Roman Catholic Website ,http://rcf.org Where people are checking this stuff out,under communication there is a whole subculture of Clergy Organizing and holding "retreats for Homosexual clerics", and giving explicit instructions for giving Oral Sex safely to their partners".
Man O Man this really gives me the Creeps,to think these guys are acting as spiritual leaders in our Church.
Gruesome ! While Vatican II may be partly to blame most of these guys are REAL CRIMINALS..
Cardinal Law and Egan supported these criminals.
That is so utterly, utterly perfect. It captures the whole catastrophe. Thanks for posting it.
Can't help myself.......
TURNING and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
------W.B. Yeats
"...I doubt if Goebbels would have bothered to make pederasty the center of his propaganda against the Catholic Church if the charges had been entirely without foundation....
I'd never thought of analyzing Goebbles genius in quite that way. The more ugly the propanganda, the more likely it was to have some foundation. Hmmmm.....
1) All the denominations --including the RCC -- went bankrupt and disappeared;
and
2) All of our church buildings were shuttered and sold?
What do you suppose would happen? I'll tell you:
a) Those who are real Christians, who take their faith seriously, would make the effort to find those among their neighbors who are also real Christians.
b) They would select from among themselves leaders of observable spiritual maturity and giftedness.
c) These people would start meeting in little neighborhood groups for teaching, fellowship, worship, and prayer.
And on this foundation, the church would be renewed and expand as never before.
I am firmly convinced that were this to happen, it would be the greatest thing in the history of the church since Pentecost.
Celibicy is not the cause of homosexual rape of teenage men by priests, but elimination of the celibacy requrement of priests goes a long way towards the cure.
Presently, the Catholic Church has a system in place where a young man, with homosexual desires subtly nagging at him, growing up holy (usually a former alter boy), has an opportunity to deny his tendencies, by becoming "celibate" in a sanctioned, encouraged, manner. Become a priest, and you don't have to worry about those nagging itches. All sexual urges are suppressed equally.
The urges never go away, but the future homo is in a great place to hide them. It must be a great relief, for a troubled, holy man. Feel like doing another guy? Well, nothing to worry about, you are forbidden to do anyone.
Then once in a position of incredible power, surrounded in sanctioned secrecy, among alter boys (teenage men) who worship you, alone with you, with little chance for discovery, in hidden chambers that very few are allowed entrance to, the situation is completely different. It is now a situation where you can easily let those long suppressed urges come forward, with very little risk. A situation perfectly ripe for abuse.
"Lead us not into temptation..."
This is so ripe for abuse.
Now, open the church back up for married men (like it was for 50% of the Catholic Church's existance), and what will happen? They will get a huge influx of men, drawn to God, who are also drawn to women. The overall percentage of homosexual priests will fall dramatically, and the ones that remain unmarried, and who also show no interest in women, will stick out like a sore thumb. They will be watched more carefully.
(Interview question) "Are you attracted to women?"
(Answer) "Uhhhhh....."
Biology is biology. Normal men are strongly atracted to women, and have a very "hard" time not showing it. In an institution that discourages that attraction, and makes men feel guilty for it, you will drive off normal men, and attract troubled young men with homosexual tendencies.
Let's see the study that compares the percentage of homosexual priests in the Catholic Church to the percentage of homosexual priests in the Protestan Church. It has to be out there somewhere. Let's see it.
Don't link me with anything, just (in 3 sentences or less) tell me.
Well said! Sadly, many liberal-thinking catholics have been swept in through the doors of those "new age" church edifices, while devout catholics have left in droves, seeking shelter in the traditional mass.
As Christ once said: "I know my own and my own know me."
