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89 are indicted in online porn case
The Dallas Morning News ^ | March 19, 2002 | By MICHELLE MITTELSTADT / The Dallas Morning News

Posted on 03/19/2002 12:13:48 PM PST by MeekOneGOP

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To: buffyt
This whole deal is just mind boggling! Hard to believe there are so many involved! Cannot understand what would make someone do that!
61 posted on 03/19/2002 4:29:59 PM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: MeeknMing
Heh here is a little story that will frost your nads: I run a store which sells games like D&D, Warhammer, Pokemon, and Magic the Gathering. I have lots of youngsters in more store raning in ages from 5 uo to 80 (hey some of us Adults are just big kids at heart when it comes to games and toys) anyhow because of the varied ages of the Kids when the Conversation becomes "rough" by the older kids and I have youngsters in the store I caution the Older guys to cool it on the Bad Words (cussing does not offend me but six year olds do not need to hear the "F"-word repeatedly)

Anyhow one older kid kept up with the harsh Language after several warnings, finally I had enough and warned him next offense and he was banned from my store forever (And when I say forever I ain't kidding)well of course someone made him mad he used the "F"-word and I of course showed him the door...

Now it is amazing how fast Parents want to get involved when they think their Child is being denied his Rights (sic) (this is a whole other story I will not relate here) anyhow when I patiently explained the whole story to the father he basically realized there was no way his kid was coming back and left right after using a few of the "harshest" words himself and in front of youngsters... I thought the matter settled...

Within a few days suddenly I am getting nearly 100 XXX Rated e-mails a day and I mean some of the raunchiest stuff I have ever seen... Beastiality, Gay, Defecation, etc. all of it advertisement...

I do the Unsuscribe deal and seem to get rid of most of it then all of the sudden I am spammed by some seriously disgusting Kiddie porn crap and I immediately call my ISP to get it stopped they did their best but I had to resort to changing my e-mail... I told them I wanted action on the matter and finally they figured out that my little buddy who I kicked out of the store was responsible for the mess he even hacked into my e-mail account (I guess at the time it was way to easy with my Isps e-mail server to hack it) I told em lets nail this little butthole and they told me they wouldn't because he was underage... I said fine I was contacting the local sheriff...

well when the Sheriff got back to me he said strangely the ISP had lost all the info on the incident...

I wonder if it had anything to do with this little butthole's Dad being a prominent Banker-type in our local community???

I guess what is ever best for the children ehh?

People like this guy just makes me ill! First try and force someone to put up with his unruly Kid because he has "rights" (sic) and secondly when the kid has clearly broken the law he uses his connections to make the matter disappear...

62 posted on 03/19/2002 4:34:31 PM PST by Mad Dawgg
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To: PhiKapMom
It is despicable. Interesting that all the names so far are male. Why is that gender so prone to this? I think it is a question that needs looking at and answered. That is not to say that women don't do sick stuff sometimes.
63 posted on 03/19/2002 4:41:32 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska
You are so right -- wonder why it is almost exclusively men involved?
64 posted on 03/19/2002 4:58:34 PM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: PhiKapMom
Yeah, maybe Eve wasn't such a bad apple after all.

Maybe it's not healthy to look into the deep caverns of male psychology, at least the sickest ones, but there has to be a reason that men are more prone to porn than women.

I'm most concerned about the children who have been exploited by this carnage of child porn. And I am heartened that there are still some decent people who are speaking out. Sometimes you wonder if there are any decent people left in this world.

65 posted on 03/19/2002 5:06:59 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Mad Dawgg
Your first mistake was in trying to "unsubscribe" to the pornspams you received. This ass obviously subscribed you to a bunch of mailing lists (how did he get your email address, by the way)?

There is no such thing as "unsubscribing" from spam. All the spammer will do when you submit your request or even reply to the spam is confirm that your email address is a "live" one then sell it to other spammers, ensuring that you will receive even more spam.

In your case, about the only way to reduce the amount of spam you get is to go after the mailing lists that don't verify subscription requests. To do it the hard way, learn to read email headers and complain about each and every spam you get to the originating ISP and/or their upstream. An easier way is to simply forward these spam emails to your ISP (with full headers) and let them help clean up the mess.

66 posted on 03/19/2002 5:10:24 PM PST by strela
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To: Aliska
Sometimes you wonder if there are any decent people left in this world.

I know exactly what you mean. It has bothered me on here that only a few of us that have posted on these threads seem to be upset by this activity. I just don't get it!

67 posted on 03/19/2002 5:23:04 PM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: Mad Dawgg
My gosh! There's the problem. The parent not only didn't care enough to teach the kid to do the right thing.
The parent didn't care about right and wrong himself. Some example he's setting, huh?
What a pain in the behind to have to put up folks like that, huh? If there were more folks like you in this world,
there'd be a LOT fewer folks like them! ! Thanks for sharing that...........
68 posted on 03/19/2002 5:26:34 PM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: Godel
God you're stupid. If you made each picture one count, then people with 10 pictures will wind up in prison longer than someone like Westerfield who actually kidnaps, rapes, and murders a child.

I'll return the compliment: you're an idiot.

So what if they're charged with more than one count? Why is it any skin off your nose? Why are you defending pedophiles? Identify with them, perhaps? (Remember, you started the flame war when you called me "stupid," so I'm sure you can take it.)

It's mere slothfulness on the part of the prosecutor--the prosecutor charges the slime with one count, embarasses the pedophile by publishing his name, then plea bargains the charge down from a felony to a misdemeanor, a little jail time (if any), a little fine, maybe a year or so probation--all worked out in the back room, no harm, no foul--and after they're off paper, they're back in business.

69 posted on 03/19/2002 5:52:14 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: Mad Dawgg
That is disgusting! What a horrible example of a parent!

The Bush group on Yahoo during the the campaign was spammed by gay porn which was really sick -- think about opening an email with the heading of picture of GW and Laura and getting two guys -- still gives me the creeps. We complained to Yahoo, they did nothing but I complained to AOL as a subscriber and they sprang into action to investigate and after a short time we had no more problems.

Now I find out that this porn group was on Yahoo who refused to do anything to get rid of the gay porn our group was getting sent during the election -- really made me wonder!

70 posted on 03/19/2002 6:06:36 PM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: PhiKapMom
It's like some or lots of people, especially men, but lots of women nowadays too, either never had or killed their consciences.

These perps don't seem plagued with any quilt or remorse or anything else but satisfying their abnormal lust. The only thing that bothers them is getting found out, and that only to the extent . . .

Yes, that's part of it. People don't have consciences any more to a great extent. It must have happened while they were growing up somehow.

Was it always this way? Do I have a naive view of the past where people only very rarely gave in to such abnormal desires?

71 posted on 03/19/2002 8:34:32 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Godel
God you're stupid. If you made each picture one count, then people with 10 pictures will wind up in prison longer than someone like Westerfield who actually kidnaps, rapes, and murders a child.

I can understand your outrage but mindless comments like yours are just ridiculous. It's supposed to be a justice system where people are punished according to the severity of their crime.

Interesting, about the mindless comments ..I must have missed the trial and conviction of Westerfield, I thought in this country he was innocent untill proven guilty in a court of law...

73 posted on 03/19/2002 8:47:23 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: MeeknMing
Throw the book at them...but make sure they're dead first so it won't hurt when it hits them.
74 posted on 03/19/2002 8:51:44 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: strela; Mad Dawg
I get porn spam all the time. Just delete it. Don't know how they harvested my email address. I did visit one porn site early on to inform myself what was going on. Never figured it out . . . and couldn't get into the site without signing up . . . which I didn't . . . but they find you out. I just ignore it.
75 posted on 03/19/2002 8:52:57 PM PST by Aliska
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To: kidao35
I guess you were hoping that the 9/11 attacks meant a get-out-of-jail-free card for all other kinds of perps.

No, and I think it's clear my opinion of this filth from other posts. However, especially now, we have limited federal resources, limited numbers of law enforcement officers and they have a pretty full plate. As destructive as kiddie porn is, it is far more vital to track down the terrorists before we worry about the kiddie porn, especially people just "using" it, not the producers. If this was a ring of actual kiddie porn producers, I'd say go for it. As it sounds now, it sounds like misallocated resources.

Have whatever reaction you want - call me names, make implications. I'm a pragmatist, and so are most cops and feds. You're the only cop in a one cop town, and there's a guy on one side of the street smoking a joint, and one commiting rape on the other, you're going to bust the rapist and ignore the potsmoker - for now anyway.

Others on this thread seem to be waiting with baited breath for some kind of crackdown on all "porn" - I assume everything from Playboy to Debbie Does Dallas falls under that. If Ashcroft (who I voted for twice for Governor and Senator in Missouri and supported as AG) goes after the California porn industry (as that Frontline seemed to suggest) me and a whole lot of other former supporters are going to bail on him. Incredible that it's even being discussed while the nation is at war and possibly rotten with foreign agents. My guess is that it's not being discussed anymore.

While not porn "user", it's protected by the first amendment and the stuff that violates local standards of decency is to be prosecuted on the local level. The Feds have no business getting involved in that issue.

Interesting that no one commented on the way they're going after the medicinal pot smokers in CA. I guess some things are too repellent even for this crowd to support.

76 posted on 03/19/2002 8:57:38 PM PST by motexva
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To: strela
"(how did he get your email address, by the way)?"

At the time I ran Magic TOurnaments and Had A Website on which I posted the Results, also had one of those little Bulletin Boards, and also listed product to sell (before I went exclusively to e-bay) anyhow I had my e-mail address listed on the website. Most of the players would e-maill me prior to the tournaments to secure a slot it seemed to work fine (this was about 4 maybe 5 years ago BTW) but I had to change everything and shut down the B-board... the little freak would spam the board with some fairly disgusting language and suggestions as well.

BTW I am not with that ISP any longer and the little butthole ended up getting busted some drug stuff and actually served some time (wow there is a shocker) of course now he is getting some kind of college courses provided by the government... doesn't it feel good to know your tax dollars are going to such a worthy cause... :-p

77 posted on 03/20/2002 3:13:54 AM PST by Mad Dawgg
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To: constitutiongirl
Do you mean that there is still a chance we will rewarded and find slimeball ex-president klintons name on the list?

Oh well I can dream can't I

78 posted on 03/20/2002 3:18:18 AM PST by chiefqc
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To: Aliska
I get porn spam all the time. Just delete it.

Sorry, but tolerance of theft is not an option for me. I delete the spammer's Internet account instead.

79 posted on 03/20/2002 4:17:11 AM PST by strela
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To: Thorn11cav
Nothing serious is going to happen to these perverts. Remember how many Catholic Priests are being brought up on these same charges... Members of the clergy, like those pedophiles who delight in child pornography, usually get off with a slap on the wrist. The usual pattern was to ship the member of the clergy (and it's not just limited to the Catholic Church) off to a new church with no mention of their prior child sexual assault. Only now--and after much public outcry--are some members of the clergy being held accountable for their actions.

I know the legal scenario all to well. The first thing the pedophiles are going to do is to get lawyered up, then they'll start their "he's a respected member of the community" tapdance to make sure their guy isn't punished in any meaningful way.

80 posted on 03/20/2002 4:22:51 AM PST by Catspaw
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