Simon's Best Hope: Be A New Riordan (MEGA-BARF ALERT)

Los Angeles Times ^ | 3/10/02 | Tony Quinn

[goldstategop]

Simon should become what the Bush White House, 80% of GOP representatives and most GOP legislators thought Riordan was when they endorsed him--the guy who can reach out to independents and voters disaffected with Davis.... [Another RINO wannabe?] ...

[goldstategop]

No sooner than the primary is over than the liberal media headlines, like the Los Angeles Times that the conservative candidate who won the GOP primary better morph into a RINO... or else. About the only good point Tony Quin made was that he thought Simon should be... "seen as Reagan was--a candidate who's philosophically conservative but not threatening." But it reads like an afterthought to the above paragraph and it doesn't make sense. Which is it? A Reaganite conservative who appeals to non-Republican voters or should be be a RINO like Dick Riordan and veer left? I suspect he's confused and would prefer the latter as would the L.A Slimes . Best advice for Simon is to take the former advice given in Quinn's recommendation and run with it for as a RINO he will get his clock cleaned like the liberal GOP candidates who ran before him. That's the key to his being able to beat Gray-Out in November.

[Vigilanteman]

Gerald Ford ran as a RINO. This (blue) is the best he ever did.

Ronald Reagan ran as a conservative. This is what he did twice.

Would the LA Slimes please take their advice and shove it where the sun doesn't shine?

[goldstategop]

Amen. Someone should post that election night map of March 5th to show people what REALLY happens to a gubernatorial candidate in CA when you run as a RINO. Bwahahaha!!!

[Rubber Ducky]

This one?

[Joe Boucher]

How about being himself. A real conservative. How about throwing away the pollsters and being a genuine real conservative like Mr. Bush.

[Jefferson1776]

How about being himself. A real conservative. How about throwing away the pollsters and being a genuine real conservative like Mr. Bush.

I REALLY hope you are being sarcastic in this posting. Bush a real conservative? HAHAHHAHAHHAA

[Diago]

Thank you! Great maps.

Why do some Republicans believe the media is actually trying to help them when the media offers advice to Republicans on how to win elections?

[Common Tator]

Ronald Reagan ran as a conservative. This is what he did twice

RONALD REAGAN RAN TO THE CENTER AND LEFT OF THE SPECTRUM

REAGAN WANTED TO GET ELECTED

Those of us in the media learned the Reagan stump speech so well we could do it by heart. We had the part about him being a FAN OF FDR down pat. It goes like this:

 
   "When I was young my political hero was FRANKLIN 
    DELANO ROOSEVELT. And my opinions have not changed. It 
    was the Democratic party that changed..not me." 

Reagan ran for governor on the FDR platform. Did FDR run as a Conservative too?

The other great story Ron used to reach working people was the one about mean corporation that gave his Daddy an envelope on Christmas eve.. snif snif. When his Dad opened it expecting a Christmas bonus, there was a pink slip inside... Does Simon trash heartless corporations who fire fathers on Christmas eve in his stump speech or was it just Ronnie Reagan that did that?

We all loved the line "I am a union man. I am the only man to ever run for president who was elected president of his UNION twice. I AM STILL A UNION MEMBER." Reagan must have said that a million times. There is nothing more conservative than a re-elected Union President.. don'tcha think? Ronnie said that to convice the voters he was pro UNION. Damned if it didn't work.

When you put out the bull that Reagan ran as a right wing conservative... YOU ARE NOT TELLING THE TRUTH. Reagan was a conservative, but he way to smart to run as one. In the primary his four opponents for the governors nomination trashed Reagan as being a Democrat in disguise. They were surprised that he didn't dispute that much. He kept saying parties were not important, what kind of person you were was.Reagan until 1963 had been a registered Democrat. He ran as a Republican just 3 years later.

Reagan used all those "democrat" applause lines in his first race for governor in California. He used them again in his stump speech when he ran for president in 1980. He used them in the 1980 debate against JIMMY CARTER.

But in his governorship race in 1966 Reagan was a recent convert to the Republican party. He certainly did not have a reputation of being a right wing Conservative. Right wing conservatives don't get elected president of their union. Reagan was seen as the man who could water down the Conservative Goldwater stuff and make it popular.

After Goldwater was so soundly defeated as a conservative, there was little hope a conservative could be elected anything anywhere. The Democrats tried very hard to paint Reagan as a Bill Simon type conservative, but Reagan went to great lengths to prove he was very close to being a Democrat.

When BILL Simon learns to use the Reagan line, "I used to be a Democrat but the Democrats changed...not Me", he may have a chance. But don't bet he or you have a clue.

[TheRedSoxWinThePennant]

the la times is the leading mouthpiece of the gray davis machine hell this was probably written by gray davis's staff if simon is smart he will do the exact opposite of anything the la times recommends

[goldstategop]

More like... "Governor I used to be a disaffected Independent fed up with politics and I entered this race to make a difference. I am not a career politician and have never been one. That's a claim I can proudly make and you can't Governor and since you're part of the establishment you're part of the problem. I bring a fresh perspective and fresh solutions and that's how I seek to make a difference as a newly minted Republican."

[goldstategop]

Amen. The L.A Times would love him to take the bait. I hope he lives in blissful ignorance of their opinion pages. :)

[KJMorgan]

I think Limbaugh's rule is right; when conservatives run as conservatives they WIN

[Bonaparte]

"After Goldwater was so soundly defeated as a conservative, there was little hope a conservative could be elected anything anywhere."

Goldwater was ambivalent about being president, even after his nomination. His campaign management was the worst I've ever seen. His defeat, not conservatism's, was a foregone conclusion.

[Bonaparte]

Ok, while you're thinking that last one over, here's another --

"After Goldwater was so soundly defeated as a conservative, there was little hope a conservative could be elected anything anywhere."

That same year, 1964, LBJ won California by more than a million votes. On the exact same ballot, California voters sent the unapologetically conservative George Murphy to the US Senate. Just one week before any of that happened, Ronald Reagan had electrified the Republican convention and made headlines with his nationally televised speech for Goldwater, perhaps the most conservative one this century. It's hard to see which conservative issues that speech left untouched, whether it was smaller government, lower taxes, deregulation of business, peace through strength or whatever. After that, there was no doubt in anybody's mind that Reagan's conversion to the right was complete, but just in case some California voter down in Death Valley didn't know, the liberal media took pains to remind him, all through the governor's contest two years later, that Reagan was a dangerous right-winger (in addition to being an airhead actor who was inexperienced in politics). I remember his speeches that year, and they echoed many of the same themes he covered at the Republican convention. He did tone it down a bit, but not much. He appeared every bit the smiling, affable populist. It was like a re-make of Mr. Smith Goes To Washington. Californians knew what they were getting, and they didn't hesitate to re-elect him four years later when he ran against the formidable Jesse Unruh, an even more skillful and experienced politician than Pat Brown.

[The Shrew]

Thought you might enjoy seeing this:

Parsky vs. Simon
Inside Politics
Greg Pierce
3/8/02

Gerald Parsky, described in yesterday's New York Times as President Bush's "closest adviser in California," lashed out at Republican gubernatorial nominee Bill Simon on Wednesday, suggesting that Mr. Simon is an "extreme conservative" who probably cannot be elected.

Reporter Richard L. Berke reports that Mr. Parsky "said he was hoping, but not convinced, that Mr. Simon would run enough of a broadly based campaign" against Democratic incumbent Gray Davis.

"A lot will depend on how the campaign is run," Mr. Parsky said. "If you are an extreme conservative, you cannot win in California."

Mr. Simon will win, he added, only "if he is prepared to adopt the formula I describe" to broaden the party.

Here's a link: Washington Times

Regards,

TS

[Bonaparte]

Thanks, TS. Only 3 days after Simon's triumph and Parsky is already defaming him in the NYT. Nothing Simon has said so far is the least bit "extreme," even by Parsky's probable standards -- which would no doubt include "love of country" as extreme. When the media asked Simon about abortion, he said he was not going to discuss it, that he was going to focus his campaign on what was most important to California voters, eg. education, economy, budget, energy, water, etc. What does Parsky want him to do? Start reciting from Mao's red book? Amazing. I hope this doesn't herald more back-stabbing from the Republican establishment. If so, Simon is going to need all the grassroots support he can get.

[Bonaparte]

From President Reagan: The Role of a Lifetime, by the liberal journalist, Lou Cannon --

"Reagan made a good impression on his audience in Sacramento [during the 1966 gubernatorial election]. He readily confessed that he knew little about government but suggested that his lack of experience would give him the advantage of taking a fresh look at California's problems. He answered questions sensibly and without a hint of guile. He was as pleasant in response to skeptical questioners as he was to friendly ones. He fascinated me. What I noticed most was that everybody seemed to like him, the reporters included. When my editors at the San Jose Mercury-News asked me afterward what I thought of Reagan, I said I couldn't understand why anyone would want to run against such a self-assured and friendly man. And I still don't understand why the Democrats regarded Reagan as such an easy mark. Subsequently, he defeated Brown by nearly a million votes, which was no small feat."

This all sounds a lot like Bill Simon.

[The Shrew]

This all sounds a lot like Bill Simon.

From your lips to God's ears my friend!

We'll have to get together and hoist one to toast a victory in November. God Willing!

However, between now and then there is a heck of a lot of work to do! Want to join me in a Cyber Friends of Bill Simon Club here on FR that we need to form?

Regards,

TS

[jla]

Ronald Reagan ran as a conservative. This is what he did twice.

And so many still don't get it!

I myself believe that Simon will stay true, (to the voters and to himself), and run as he ran against Riordan.
And he will be the next governor of California.

[jla]

Your remarks are spurious.
You obviously don't know too much about President Reagan.