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Andrew Sullivan's "Van Hoffman Award" (Anti-War Pundits who were DEAD WRONG)
Andrew Sullivan.com (Daily Dish) ^ | 11/14/01 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:14 PM PST by xm177e2

INTRODUCING THE VON HOFFMAN AWARD: "The war in Afghanistan, the one [Bush] should never have declared, has run into trouble. Just a few weeks into it and it's obvious that the United States is fighting blind. The enemy is unknown, and the enemy's country is terra incognita. We have virtually no one we can trust who can speak the languages of the people involved. With all our firepower and our technical assets and our spy satellites, it looks like we don't know if we're coming or going ... We are mapless, we are lost, and we are distracted by gusts of wishful thinking. That our high command could believe the Afghani peasantry or even the Taliban would change sides after a few weeks of bombing! This is fantasizing in high places. In the history of aerial bombardment, can you think of a single instance of the bombed embracing the bombers? Bombing always unites the bombees against the bombers, and-duh!-guess what the reaction has been in Afghanistan? You don't need to speak Urdu to figure it out, which is good since none of us does ... Moreover, as hellish as the Taliban are, it appears that the ordinary people of Afghanistan prefer them to the brigands and bandits with whom we've been trying to make common cause-and who, we've been hinting, will take part in a postwar government." - Nicholas von Hoffman, New York Observer, November 14! Readers are hereby invited to search the web to find the most prophetically challenged pieces of media war-wisdom so far. Please put Von Hoffman in the subject line.
- 11/14/2001 04:04:34 PM

VON HOFFMAN AWARD NOMINEE: "'If you can't be like bin Laden,' one Army critic told me, 'you're in trouble.' Another critic said the Rangers are a sledgehammer when a dagger is needed. Shortcomings in Afghanistan cannot be laid at the feet of one general. Hostility to special operations has deepened over 20 years. Expertise in unconventional warfare has not been the track to rapid promotion. The nation's senior general officers were unprepared on Sept. 11 to fight the Taliban, and there is no sign that they are ready today." - Robert Novak, "Unprepared for Afghanistan," November 12.
- 11/14/2001 05:21:42 PM

VON HOFFMAN AWARD NOMINEE I: "Right now we are using beards as beards, trying to prop up the Northern Alliance and hoping that somehow a Southern Alliance will materialize like a genie from Aladdin's lamp. But the stories about the lame rebel force with its wooden saddles and line of old Russian tanks get sillier and sillier, like scenes out of the Marx Brothers or Woody Allen's "Bananas." TV footage shows troops practicing taking hills, and confused about whether they are supposed to advance or retreat after they win a battle with the Taliban." - Maureen Dowd, New York Times, November 7.

VON HOFFMAN AWARD NOMINEE II: "The first body bags are now on their way home to the US, adding to the number of American families stricken by grief and loss. Once again - for what? Predictably, relentlessly, this conflict shows every sign of becoming the Vietnam of our generation - the graveyard of strategic interests and ideals, as well as lives." - Madeleine Bunting, The Guardian, October 22.

VON HOFFMAN AWARD NOMINEE III: "Key Afghan opposition commanders are on the verge of abandoning the fight against the Taliban because their confidence in US military strategy has collapsed. Insurgents are no longer willing to infiltrate eastern Taliban-controlled Afghanistan because they believe American blunders are destroying the opportunity to spread revolt against the Islamist regime." - "Opposition leaders ready to quit battle against Taliban. US blunders leave key fighters disillusioned" - by Rory Carroll, the Guardian, November 9, the day Mazar-e-Sharif fell
- 11/14/2001 05:37:19 PM


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
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Uh... ignore the discrepancy in the numbering of the "nominees."

Other than that, ha ha ha, the downside of being a pundit is that when you say something stupid, it's recorded for all time.

I'll take Rumsfeld's word over what the "chattering class" is saying any day.

1 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:14 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: *Andrew Sullivan list
FYI
2 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:15 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: xm177e2
Everyone of the naysayers should be held to account. Doesn't it get tiring being wrong so often?
3 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:16 PM PST by IronJack
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To: xm177e2
My question to the armchair generals: When was the last time you had cabinet level briefing, or even a theatre operational briefing?
4 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:16 PM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: A Navy Vet
cabinet level briefing

It doesn't take much, General, to accept Rumsfeld's view over Dowd's.

5 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:17 PM PST by Praxeologue
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To: xm177e2
Go to http://www.observer.com/index_go.html and email hoffman the awards list- I just did.

and, given your screen name, you might want to check this out....

http://www.tromix.com/

6 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:22 PM PST by fourdeuce82d
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To: xm177e2
Kudos to Andrew Sullivan, although I would have preferred it if he had christened the award the "Dowd." Perhaps that could be the informal name for the statuette. What a bunch of clymers!
7 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:22 PM PST by Clinton's a rapist
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To: xm177e2
The incredible thing about Novak's column was that he put it in the Tribune on Monday, which was several days after the Taliban had already become the Chuck Barris of modern warfare.
8 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:23 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: xm177e2
Sullivan can't even choose a safe azzhole to plunder!
9 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:24 PM PST by Chapita
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To: vbmoneyspender
Tha's an awful slur on Chuck Barris!! oh the shame of it.... he ran a tight ship on his Gong Show..
10 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:24 PM PST by habs4ever
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To: Kennard
It doesn't take much, General, to accept Rumsfeld's view over Dowd's.

Kennard: But Dowd doesn't really have a "view" as much as she has an attitude. That said, I would accept Rumsfield's view over Dowd's attitude--any day or night.

11 posted on 11/16/2001 1:11:24 PM PST by ffrancone
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To: xm177e2
Freepers just don't try to understand liberals. What the liberals consistently do is to use the most common defence mechanism --projective identification. In this mechanism a person assumes others are just like them. For liberals a treasonous hatred of America and a desire to see it humiliated is their core value; hence, this is what they see.
13 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12:04 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: xm177e2
Freepers just don't try to understand liberals. What the liberals consistently do is to use the most common defence mechanism --projective identification. In this mechanism a person assumes others are just like them. For liberals a treasonous hatred of America and a desire to see it humiliated is their core value; hence, this is what they see.
14 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12:04 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: xm177e2
Freepers just don't try to understand liberals. What the liberals consistently do is to use the most common defence mechanism --projective identification. In this mechanism a person assumes others are just like them. For liberals a treasonous hatred of America and a desire to see it humiliated is their core value; hence, this is what they see.
15 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12:04 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: xm177e2
Freepers just don't try to understand liberals. What the liberals consistently do is to use the most common defence mechanism --projective identification. In this mechanism a person assumes others are just like them. For liberals a treasonous hatred of America and a desire to see it humiliated is their core value; hence, this is what they see.
16 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12:25 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: xm177e2
Freepers just don't try to understand liberals. What the liberals consistently do is to use the most common defence mechanism --projective identification. In this mechanism a person assumes others are just like them. For liberals a treasonous hatred of America and a desire to see it humiliated is their core value; hence, this is what they see in every situation where being an America matters.

What Freepers see is the illogic and mendacity of the liberal without recognizing for the liberal the above core values are like a religion and accepted on faith.

17 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12:26 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
I screwed up. Sorry for the multiple posts.
18 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12:27 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
LOL I think there should be some kind of award for 6 repeat posts! Most I've ever seen. :)
19 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12:51 PM PST by Boxsford
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sorry, make that only 5. I think you lost after all.

Great Post xm. Thanks.

20 posted on 11/16/2001 1:12:51 PM PST by Boxsford
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