CIA's Haq cover-up is part of a pattern

CHICAGO SUN-TIMES ^ | November 1, 2001 | ROBERT NOVAK

[hchutch]

Odd, the stuff I read had the cocaine from Central and South America coming from the Cubans, not the CIA. And the Sandinistas were in it up to their eyeballs.

[Zviadist]

You get it. All the other blowhards here wouldn't know the CIA's work if it bit them in the rear. They just think the spy stuff is cool and sexy. In fact, the agency has the inverse Midas touch: everything they lay their hands on turns to sh*t. That is because the agency is full of globalists with guns. Many/most are on the political left.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Like you have some way of knowing this outside of the speculations of the mthfckng media. Almost everything you posted about operations there is false and mere rehashing of the CNN attack poodles' comments.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Thanks for your interest in my well being but I have no lack of feminine companionship. Currently I have a lovely sweetie who is a crackerjack math teacher. Though we live in opposite parts of Chicago (currently a necessity because of my youngest boy's educational situation) and that is a bummer we manage.

Novak's agenda is just to pretend to be objective and keep collecting that CNN paycheck. But I long ago stopped paying attention to him.

[justshutupandtakeit]

CIA is not running this war.

The other crap you posted about being able to have gotten rid of OBL and Omar is equally false.

Osama sends his thanks for helping undermine the war effort with false statements and wild unsubtantiated rumours.

[justshutupandtakeit]

ROTFLMAO, Boy they crawl out from under their rocks to attack, disparage, undermine and distort don't they?

[Paul Ross]

I think it will matter for future prosecution of this war who ultimately is running Afghanistan. The war will not stop in Afghanistan. We have clear signs of the complicity of many other agencies and agents in this pointing from Saudia Arabia, to Iraq and the foaming-at-the-mouth press corps in Cairo. These elements need to be targeted. Financially, judicially, and then if that fails, militarily.

Afghanistan was chosen by OBL for religious reasons as much as opportunism. It is expressly referenced in the Koran as the unstoppable army with black flags which will sweep west to Jerusalem and free it. So Aafghanistan just 'behaving' will be insufficient. It is a highly symbolic nation. It is also one that we have been given the rap of having 'abandoned' to Pakistan's ISI and the resulting internal civil wars leaving the country decimated.

Rightly or wrongly earned, that rap must be expunged and the defamatory 'stain' wiped clean. We need to install a westernized democratic pro-American 'client' state which will back up our foreign policy in the region, and help us to destabilize Iran's tyrannical theocracy, and essentially rain on the parade of the Radical Islamists from Egypt, Saudi Arabia to Indonesia. This will take the wind out of the sails of the Talibanists in Pakistan as well, and probably greatly lower tensions with India, whom we should be pursuing as a regional ally. This truly is a fabulous opportunity to defuse a really nasty explosive potential for a true 'jihad' against the West. This is a bomb which our 'friends' in Russia and China would actually love to see go off in our faces. But because the Taliban threatens them too, they are going along with us for now.

And we have to win, and then once having won...STAY. Not militarily, however. I.e., not as mission-creep peacekeepers. Send in the peace corps, and all the other sundry state-craft agencies which would allow these peoples to see first hand the truth about Americans.

[MarkWar]

>In fact, the agency has the inverse Midas touch: everything they lay their hands on turns to sh*t. That is because the agency is full of globalists with guns. Many/most are on the political left.

I believe you are kind of right, and what you say is worth thinking about. But I believe it's worth thinking about in a different way than normal...

The CIA is full of globalist with guns. Many/most are on the "left." But does everything they touch turn to sh*t? Or do they function perfectly and what we interpret as "foul ups" are actually carefully considered moves in a game that is very very difficult to perceive from our vantage point...

What I mean is, in pop culture, we are CONDITIONED to think that when things "go wrong" somebody screwed up big time. After all, pop culture is almost defined by stupid people who have been "empowered" by one or another insane social program or activist group. We expect things to go wrong because we recognize that so many stupid people are in pivotal positions...

But I suggest that beyond pop culture, there is a more carefully constructed layer. A layer not composed of stupid people empowered for no rational reason. Rather, a layer of competent, skillful people selected for their competence. A layer where, when things happen, they happen on purpose.

I think it's interesting to speculate about the various "debacles" of the CIA over the generations and imagine what might really be going on IF EVERYTHING THEY DID THEY ACTUALLY DID ON PURPOSE.

What if -- if only for the sake of speculation -- we imagine that the CIA wanted the Bay of Pigs to work out exactly as it did? What if we imagine that the CIA wanted Vietnam to work out exactly as it did? What if the CIA wanted Lebanon to work out exactly as it did?

And what if the CIA wanted 911 to work out exactly as it did?

If we look at this as if we were trying to figure out some weird game that we acknowledge is going to look bizarre from our perspective, then what might the CIA want next?

Mark W.

(My guess would be this: The CIA has consistently engineered large scale death and destruction overseas for generations. Normal, rational people have always assumed these large scale outbreaks of death and destruction were the results of screw ups or idiotic thinking. But -- for the sake of this game -- let's assume that the overseas outbreaks of death and destruction were just SOP. Now we have the 911 attack on the WTC right here on CONUS. My guess is that the CIA (and the Establishment that permeates it) is bringing their SOP home. My guess is that in the coming months/years, we will see two things: 1) large scale deaths within our population -- either from biochem attacks or radiation weapons; 2) large scale property destruction in our cities comparable -- on a larger scale -- to what was inflicted on the Serbs.)

That's my guess. Time will tell.

Mark W.

[hchutch]

Then why did Carlos Lehder testify that he met with Raul Castro to discuss drug-running? Oh, let me guess, North disguised himself as Raul Castro to sully Cuba's good name.

I don't buy the CIA-Cocaine theories at all. But there is also a lot of reports about Cuba's involvement out there, and it's been reported in various sources. Look them over, then get back to me.

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~delacova/drug-trafficking.htm

[gitmogrunt]

Yeah, its amazin'.

These RINO-yuppies still refuse to connect the DOTS even after 911.

[Ironword]

What this dumbass apparently doesn't know is that the CIA is not in charge here.

Yes, thankfully.

[Ironword]

The Fires Still Burn

Yes I know, I see it twice a day. What does that have to do with the CIA being dysfunctional?

[horsewhispersc]

Isn't that the truth! Coverups are the norm even against the American People, thank God for the ones who are better then those covering up truth in Investigating it, even to their demise!

[horsewhispersc]

You don't read much do ya.......btw; are you a shrink, someone would really have a problem tellin ya truth methinks!......

Only the Gov't can say the word conspiracy and the rest of us are crazy! K gotcha /sarcasm

[horsewhispersc]

Zordas what can I say, you're good! It's like a cop told me in '96 when I asked them questions about the Clintons and drugs and scandals and they said.....Dahlin ya dont know Arkansa! No wonder they were at a stress convention! LOL

[horsewhispersc]

I hear a drug Prozac can handle your problem.

[shrinkermd]

Congragulations on joining Free Republic last week. The problem with conspiracy theories is you only have to make one decision --that there is a conspiracy. Then you fit anything and everything into your theory. Anyone who disagrees with your conspiracyis then suspect. Finally, no one can really prove you wrong because it is logically impossible to disprove a negative.

The best conspiracy I heard today was some Mullah on C-SPAN claiming the Jews did the 9.11 atrocity. The Jews and the Washington insiders, according to the Mullah, are also trying to kill off the Moslems. Note, you only need to believe the underlying delusion that the Jews and Zionism are killing Americans. Then, you can add whatever proof you want to justify your delusion.

Conspiracy theories also serve two important psychological functions --a target for free floating hostility and making life so simple you need never really ponder and think about the issue again.