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Real Security. Real War.
Chicago Tribune | 17 Sep 2001 | Orson Scott Card

Posted on 09/17/2001 6:41:09 PM PDT by UnsinkableMollyBrown

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:19 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The following is a quote from Orson Scott Card, who was interviewed by the Chicago Tribune and quoted in an article appearing in the September 17, 2001 issue.

"What effect will this have on the American psyche? The same effect such things always have. Temporary unity, followed by temporary exploitation of the crisis to try to advance pre-existing agendas, and finally settling down to find our part in whatever national endeavor our leaders embark on in response to the attack. I only hope that our leaders will actually attempt to lead us toward solving the terrorism problem thoroughly and completely, instead of the kind of measured law-enforcement responses that only make martyrs when they succeed and, when they fail, encourage further attacks.



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This is right on the money. I don't think we need any half hearted pseudo-war. And that is indeed what we have. Consider the constant use of the word "suspect" in referring to bin Laden. If we are at war, there are no "suspects! We need to treat this like a real war, with real enemies, and yes, even real battlefields.

In addition, our leaders are so busy swatting flies that they ignore the tiger in the room. It is worse than useless to

1) eliminate knives (including plastic) in airport restaurants,
2) ignore airline employees as a weak spot,
3) have four different ID checks in airports - if a false ID passes once, what good does it do to check it again,
4) permit only boarding passengers, not family, at the gate,
5) return to business as usual at the boarders,
6) not re-examine known aliens in the US, legal and illegal, particularly arabs -- profiling be damned!
7) take draconian measures such as giving law enforcement the green light on wire-tapping without a warrant,
8) institute a national id system,
9) have military checkpoints, read near martial law, in New York,
10) not immediately institute armed guards on every flight, or allow passengers to carry.

I could go on, but you get the idea. Like I said, they are busy swatting flies, and they aren't taking the steps that would have a real impact on security in the US. Deport the illegals, now. They know where they are. Deport everyone that is not an American citizen from Sudan, Libya, Yemen, Cuba, Russia, China, and all those other terrorist countries... It is better that their freedom be restricted, than American citizens.

1 posted on 09/17/2001 6:41:09 PM PDT by UnsinkableMollyBrown
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To: UnsinkableMollyBrown
You are right on the money .... but Orson Scott Card wants to have his cake and eat it, too.
2 posted on 09/17/2001 6:56:09 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: UnsinkableMollyBrown
And I'm already weary of hearing the attack called `cowardly' and `terrorism.' It was a well-planned military strike, and it was carried out with courage and boldness.

Orson Scott Card, fellow "Mormon" and scintillant observer of the world as usual. Right on, br'er Card.

Let me also add: Which is more "cowardly": To accept certain death in order to destroy as many of the "enemy" as possible (er, don't we usually give out Congressional Medals of Honor to our fighting men who accomplish this feat?) or to stand fifty miles out to sea, or five hundred miles out and 15 miles in the air, and launch cruise missiles in "surgical strikes" that may or may not hit the enemy and may instead hit innocent bystanders?

Sorry if that irritates some, but that's the way we have conducted ourselves in the Middle East up till now. We didn't have the guts (as a nation, I mean) to go into Baghdad and take out that Butcher once and for all, and we are now reaping that bitter harvest I really do think.

In WWII the American people understood that while it was most CERTAINLY better to make the other poor dumb b*st*rd die for his country, we had to accept that we were going to lose some of our sons, brothers and fathers to combat with a determined enemy.

Are we even yet willing to face up to that possibility? Or have we been emasculated by the sh*t-eating leftists of the 60s "Anti-War" (TRANS: Anti-United States) generation, and carefully conditioned to believe that the sight of body bags being laid carefully on the tarmac at Dover AFB is the most horrible thing we can contemplate?

I would hope that the memory of the sight of those towers coming down, carrying THOUSANDS of innocent civilians with them, will trump that, and that we'll understand that some MUST be willing to make the ultimate sacrifice, and our leaders MUST be willing to order them to do so.

If we are NOT willing so to do, then my friends, we are NOT WORTHY of the legacy of freedom anyway, and our enemies DESERVE to destroy us!!!!

3 posted on 09/17/2001 6:56:23 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: UnsinkableMollyBrown
Deport the illegals, now. They know where they are. Deport everyone that is not an American citizen from Sudan, Libya, Yemen, Cuba, Russia, China, and all those other terrorist countries...

I say deport the LEGALS as well, who come from these nations, regardless of their religious or political affiliation.

If they are not citizens they are guests, and it is time to go home while we tend to some family business.

4 posted on 09/17/2001 6:58:22 PM PDT by Illbay
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You're right, Illbay. I think we should deport legal aliens, also. I didn't make that very clear...
5 posted on 09/17/2001 7:03:02 PM PDT by UnsinkableMollyBrown
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To: Chi-townChief
Could you explain?
6 posted on 09/17/2001 7:03:50 PM PDT by UnsinkableMollyBrown
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Doesn't have to be a war of good and evil. Kiling Americans is enough justification. The cost of having our enemies view us as weak and unwilling to fight for our survival is tantamount to suicide. We have much greater and more powerful enemies than these terrorists who would like to see us all dead. Namely, the Chinese communists. We cannot afford to embolden them with a show of weakness in place of a show of force.

Our future survival and the futures of the many nations that rely on the U.S for security,dictates that war is the only option. "Total war", the kind W.T. Sherman advocated.

7 posted on 09/17/2001 7:07:05 PM PDT by america76
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You are correct, killing Americans is reason enough for war. However, it was President Bush, himself, who claimed this was a war of good against evil.
8 posted on 09/17/2001 7:10:50 PM PDT by UnsinkableMollyBrown
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Orson Scott Card is, if I remember correctly, a dedicated anti-Second Amendment zealot. I paged through a book he edited and he made that quite clear. Anyone else out there have any info?

The fight against terrorism begins at home. All the king's horses and all the king's men can't protect us, and to rely on the government for security in exchange for giving up our rights (witness gun free zones) is akin to playing Russian Roulette with our life.

9 posted on 09/17/2001 7:21:04 PM PDT by Jesse
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10 posted on 09/17/2001 7:30:23 PM PDT by UnsinkableMollyBrown
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For the first time today it dawned upon me that perhaps the best way to fight terrorism would be with more terrorism.

When we have the 'address' of the perps, we do a drive-by (fly-by). Or we visit a popular well and drop something 'stinky' into it. In either case, we do not concern ourselves with the outcome, as our guiding principle is to merely inflict terror. Nothing more.

I have to admit that the concept is foreign to me and doesn't sit too well with my other insticts, but hey, when in Rome, isn't it a sign of politenes to do as the Romans? Or put another way: shouldn't we dance with the one that 'brung us'?

11 posted on 09/17/2001 7:49:30 PM PDT by budwiesest
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To: UnsinkableMollyBrown
Simply put, Mr. Card would like to beat the hell out of whoever the enemy is and the "forswear forever the use of military force as a political instrument of terror."
A nice thought but not very practical or possible.
I believe that the answer lies in the old saying (and I apologize for not knowing of whom I'm quoting from):
If you want to live in peace, always be prepared for war.
12 posted on 09/17/2001 8:16:36 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief
I just have a problem with the fast and loose way we have handled global justice in the last twenty years. We are really quick to bomb foreign countries for less than satisfactory reasons.

Here in Freeperdom, there were many voicing strong opposition to the wholesale bombing of Yugoslavia. Great investigation led to evidence of fraudulent claims of genocide, and evidence of drug connections. The same can be said of many sorry conflicts in the past twenty years.

If I didn't know better, I'd think that our leaders have been pulling the same pranks some Romans did to further their own agendas. And we know what happened to the Romans.

But we know that human nature is so much more civilized now, than then.

And by the way, since when have we lived in peace.

13 posted on 09/17/2001 8:40:22 PM PDT by UnsinkableMollyBrown
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One thing I forgot, there is a great distinction between fighting a war to protect one's home, family, and freedom (which we should do now), and the cavalier bombing and warmongering that the US has engaged in in the last few decades. Truly, none of the the "wars" can stand close scrutiny when looked upon with the scope of reason and constitutionality.
14 posted on 09/17/2001 8:52:25 PM PDT by UnsinkableMollyBrown
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15 posted on 09/17/2001 9:35:37 PM PDT by UnsinkableMollyBrown
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18 posted on 09/18/2001 9:55:48 AM PDT by UnsinkableMollyBrown
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19 posted on 09/18/2001 9:56:29 AM PDT by UnsinkableMollyBrown
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20 posted on 09/18/2001 9:57:55 AM PDT by UnsinkableMollyBrown
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