Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Vatican allows Scrolls to change to Bible
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 09/11/2001 | RICHARD OWEN

Posted on 09/10/2001 5:06:35 PM PDT by Pokey78

THE Vatican is to abandon decades of secrecy and obstruction to allow changes in the Bible based on revelations in the Dead Sea Scrolls, more than half a century after they were discovered.

The extent of the changes is expected to be disclosed this month, but the revised version of the New Jerusalem Bible will take five years to complete.The scrolls have been the subject of controversy between Jewish and Roman Catholic scholars since they were found in caves at Qumran on the northwest shore of the Dead Sea in 1947. The Vatican has been accused of keeping them secret for fear that they would undermine Christianity.

In The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception, two British authors, Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh, accused the Vatican of suppressing the scrolls because they contained material at odds with accepted Christian belief.

The Jerusalem Bible, which was first published in French in 1956, appeared in English ten years later. The writer J. R .R. Tolkien was one of the translators. It is the official text for use in Roman Catholic liturgy and revisions are subject to approval by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the Pope’s keeper of doctrine.

Father Gianluigi Boschi, a Dominican theologian at the Pontifical University of St Thomas Aquinas in Rome and a leading expert on the scrolls, said the recent growth in scroll scholarship and the publication of previously inaccessible scrolls meant that some of the changes would be radical. He is to address a conference on the changes this month.

Father Boschi said that the project would link “the whole picture of the origins of Christianity” to the findings at Qumran. He declined to say which passages would be modified, but predicted that the changes would be “surprising and innovative”. It was time to end to “the extraordinary scenarios put about by conspiracy theorists who claim that the Vatican has manoeuvred to hide the truth about the Dead Sea Scrolls.”

Several of the intact scrolls, preserved in terracotta jars at Qumran by an ascetic sect called the Essenes, are now kept at the purpose-built Israeli Shrine of the Book. Many of the other texts and tens of thousands of scroll fragments were bought with the aid of Vatican funds and have been under the control of Dominican scholars at the Ecole Biblique et Archéologique Française in Jerusalem since the 1950s.

The failure to publish more than a fraction of the Ecole Biblique scrolls led the Oxford biblical scholar Geza Vermes to call it “the academic scandal of the 20th century”.

Hershel Shanks, editor of the Biblical Archaeology Review in Washington and author of Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls, said that “unbiased Catholic experts” were now in the forefront of scroll scholarship. He said it was hard to imagine what the scrolls could contain that could undermine Christianity.

Minor adjustments have already been made to the Jerusalem Bible in the light of the two scrolls versions of the Book of Isaiah.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deadseascrolls; epigraphyandlanguage
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 101-106 next last

1 posted on 09/10/2001 5:06:35 PM PDT by Pokey78
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Pokey78
'The Hobbit' featuring J.Christ?
2 posted on 09/10/2001 5:14:52 PM PDT by Governor StrangeReno
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pokey78
There appears to be an evolving historical scholarship regarding the Scriptures, as taught by the Catholic Church and most enlightened biblical theologians.

The Catholic bashers and literalists will be here soon in full force.

3 posted on 09/10/2001 5:16:39 PM PDT by sinkspur
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pokey78
Michael Baigent also co-authored a book stating that Jesus really did not die and that he moved to Rennes Le Chataue? France with Mary Magdalen and that their bloodline lives on. Sensational crap that sells a book to some antichristian liberal rat.
4 posted on 09/10/2001 5:18:13 PM PDT by teresat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur
When they say that the New Jerusalem Bible is the official Roman Catholic Bible, they mean in the U.K., I assume. Is that right?

I know in the U.S., it's the NAB, and some other translation in Canada.

5 posted on 09/10/2001 5:20:19 PM PDT by B Knotts
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Governor StrangeReno
Tolkien translated the Book of Job, I believe. That was for the original Jerusalem Bible, which was a fine piece of work. In contrast, the New Jerusalem Bible, like most recent translations, is a piece of politically-correct trash.
6 posted on 09/10/2001 5:20:36 PM PDT by Cicero
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: B Knotts
No. The Jerusalem Bible is the official translation and is different from the NEW Jerusalem Bible.

I prefer the New English Bible myself, though the New American Bible is the preferred English translation.

7 posted on 09/10/2001 5:26:09 PM PDT by sinkspur
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Pokey78
The Vatican has been accused of keeping them secret for fear that they would undermine Christianity.

Er, what am I missing here? I was not aware that "the scrolls" had been spirited away. In fact, large portions of them--with best-case translations--are available on CD-ROM, etc.

Couldn't be another Internet legend--COULD IT!?!?!

8 posted on 09/10/2001 5:35:06 PM PDT by Illbay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Illbay
This is hilarious. I just happen to have a copy of them right here on my little ole desk.
9 posted on 09/10/2001 5:45:17 PM PDT by lavrenti
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: lavrenti
Maybe we can start a petition to get some Gnostic stuff in, too.

You know, fairness and all that. One can dance to Thunder:Perfect Mind.

10 posted on 09/10/2001 5:46:43 PM PDT by lavrenti
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Pokey78
Actually, I know someone involved in the project. Apparently, the longest book of the Bible contained within the scrolls in the Book of Isiah. Of the thousands and thousands of words contained in the Book of Isiah, the Scrolls suggest 13 changes be made. Not one of them changes the meaning of a single sentence.

The big news of the Dead Sea Scrolls is that the translations that we already have are more accurate than anyone previously believed. It will be the revisionists who'll be taking their lumps on this one so expect a lot of hype in the opposite direction. Their master just loves lies, you know!

11 posted on 09/10/2001 5:51:08 PM PDT by FormerLib
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: teresat
Oh yes, I read that one! Holy Blood, Holy Grail was the most laughable assembly of sophistry piled upon sophistry (please note that I'm being very, very polite here) that I've ever seen.

If the Masons were half of what Baigent claimed they were, they'd have killed him off by now.

12 posted on 09/10/2001 5:55:25 PM PDT by FormerLib
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: lavrenti, ilbay
I'm not saying that I necessarily believe this is the case, but having read The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception, the author claims that the parts that have been released and published as 'the dead sea scrolls' are only a small and relatively unimportant part. The author claims that the Vatican is destroying huge parts of the scrolls because they supposedly show that the earliest Christians, those in Jerusalem who continued to pray in the synagogue and who followed Jesus' brothers as leaders of their community, hated St Paul and regarded his views as heretical, blasphemous, and satanic. IOW, Pauline Christianity is based on beliefs and doctrines which Jesus' own family despised. Such anyway is the authors' contention.
13 posted on 09/10/2001 5:55:36 PM PDT by kaylar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Pokey78
One thing that 'could' undermine Christianity as we know it, would be the verse where when asked who to go to after his death, Jesus tells his followers to go to James the Just.

And the Apostles refered to Paul as the 'Spouter of Lies'.

But I don't expect the church to allow THAT in! lol

14 posted on 09/10/2001 5:56:13 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kaylar
>>>IOW, Pauline Christianity is based on beliefs and doctrines which Jesus' own family despised. Such anyway is the authors' contention.<<<

Considering the author's long track record for publishing his own imaginative wanderings and virulently anti-Christian fictions as fact, you might as well contact the DNC for the 'facts' on the Florida Presidental Election of 2000!

15 posted on 09/10/2001 5:58:32 PM PDT by FormerLib
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: ET(end tyranny)
>>>But I don't expect the church to allow THAT in!<<<

No, the Church won't allow much fiction into the mix. LOLouder!

16 posted on 09/10/2001 5:59:43 PM PDT by FormerLib
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: fortheDeclaration,Jerry_M,Uriel1975,CCWoody,the_doc
A bump for the Word of God!
17 posted on 09/10/2001 6:01:41 PM PDT by RnMomof7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FormerLib
Have you read the Dead Sea Scrolls?
18 posted on 09/10/2001 6:07:31 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: teresat
>Michael Baigent also co-authored a book stating that Jesus really did not die and that he moved to Rennes Le Chataue? France with Mary Magdalen and that their bloodline lives on.
Sensational crap that sells a book to some antichristian liberal rat.

Right on!  Baigent, Lee and Lincoln wrote Holy Blood Holy Grail.  The first 2/3 of the book was actually an excellent history of those times in Europe, but the closing 1/3, which contained their ridiculous conclusions, was so far off base as so illogical and unrelated to the first 2/3 as to be an embarrassment to the reader.  It was as though written by someone else.

I journeyed to Renne Le Chateau after reading the book.  Fascinating.

19 posted on 09/10/2001 6:07:40 PM PDT by DensaMensa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Pokey78
"Hershel Shanks, editor of the Biblical Archaeology Review in Washington and author of Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls, said that “unbiased Catholic experts” were now in the forefront of scroll scholarship..."

Let's see, now...BAR is pretty anti-Catholic, and one of the reasons why I cancelled my subscription some time ago. And I'd be willing to bet that those "unbiased Catholic experts" are the very same "Catholics" who have been participating in the Jesus Seminar, of notorious memory. Somehow, I don't think this little exercise is going to make the waves these guys were hoping it would. The whole thing probably boils down to something like this: HO, as in "HO!" HUM, as in "HUM!"

20 posted on 09/10/2001 6:12:18 PM PDT by redhead
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 101-106 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson