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Europe is already planning for what happens if Ukraine loses. It’s ugly
Defense One ^ | 4/12/24 | Patrick Tucker

Posted on 04/15/2024 9:21:45 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal

A Ukrainian loss, which could happen very soon if U.S. weapons don’t arrive, would ramp up Russian efforts to destabilize the governments of NATO countries and increase defense spending across the alliance, among other disastrous effects, Hanno Pevkur, Estonia’s Defense Minister, told reporters Friday.

When U.S. officials like President Joe Biden talk about why Ukraine matters, they rely on broad notions of democracy and the continuation of the international order—without specifically explaining what a Ukraine loss would mean for ordinary Americans. Perhaps because of this, Americans are evenly split on the question of whether the United States is doing too much for Ukraine.

Pevkur said one of the deliverables from last year’s NATO Summit in Vilnius was new battle plans for Eastern European countries should Ukraine fall.

“These plans address these different scenarios,” he said. “Of course, for obvious reasons I cannot be very specific, but I can assure you that these plans are shaped by looking at the possible Russian posture in our neighborhood.”

One of the likely consequences of a loss, he said, is a much larger and more dangerous Russian military.

(Excerpt) Read more at defenseone.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: eu; europe; feudalism; killkillkillforpeace; nato; russia; ukraine
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To: Magnum44

Appeasing? Are you afraid Christian Russia is going to take over Sodomite/Islamic Europe? Bahhahaha!!


81 posted on 04/15/2024 2:11:05 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Sorry, Ukrain’s already lost this war. It’s now in the mop up stage, they just haven’t admitted it yet.


82 posted on 04/15/2024 2:11:22 PM PDT by Bullish (...And just like that, I was off the ping list.)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan
Two Words: COLOR REVOLUTION

Look it up. Research is important
83 posted on 04/15/2024 2:12:32 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Chickensoup

The $61 billion will do nothing to change what’s happening on the front line right now. Even the Nazi units are refusing to stand and fight. I don’t blame the Ukrainians. Most of them have been fighting a losing battle for two years with little or no break. That money won’t allow Ukraine to continue to fight past the November election. The last thing Biden’s handlers want is a Ukrainian collapse before the November election. It’s not looking good for Ukraine right now


84 posted on 04/15/2024 2:13:23 PM PDT by Rdct29 (The Democrats Are The New Nazi Party )
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To: Jan_Sobieski

More childish acting out. Again, as with E. Pluribus, maybe if you tried to have a conversation instead of going straight to attacks, you would learn something about your fellow Americans. I loathe the Biden/Obama/Clinton regimes and their takeover of institutions with two tiered justice. I loathe that the border is open and we are under invasion. I loathe that politicians on both sides are untrustworthy at best and traitorous at worst.

But we differ on foreign policy, and what we believe to be external threats to whats left of our nation and our children’s children.

There are good Christian Americans and Good Christian russians. I have no doubt about that. Western institutions have been overrun by sick people. But evil also resides in Russian leadership along with Chinese leadership and more than a few others. Pretending they are all good and we are all bad is just ignorant. Pretending that we can close our eyes to it is ignorant.

But I am wasting breath to try to have a civil conversation. The both of you have demonstrated since the day Putin started his latest ‘special military op’ that its only Ukraine that could be corrupt.

My concerns about halting Russia in its tracks in Ukraine do not mean I support corrupt Ukrainian politicians. It means that a resurgent ‘Soviet’ russia will be a more of a threat, and cost more in treasury (and perhaps lives) than a bogged down russia and humbled russia.

I am done so please have all the last words you care for.


85 posted on 04/15/2024 2:28:52 PM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: Jan_Sobieski
YOU look it up. Not my job, since I didn't make the claim.
86 posted on 04/15/2024 2:29:55 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

“Last time I waste my time responding to you loser.”Last time I waste my time responding to you loser.”

On that wasting time subject. For such a big-time businessman and entrepreneur, you sure have time to waste posting here and trolling, and in prime business hours.


87 posted on 04/15/2024 2:30:26 PM PDT by rxh4n1
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To: Magnum44

Hey Genius. Why didn’t Russia take ALL of Georgia when they had the chance?


88 posted on 04/15/2024 2:34:03 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: OldHarbor

“expect the other EuroFiefdom to want a piece too.”

It’s just returning stolen territory to the rightful owners; Lwów to Poland, Trans-Carpathia to Hungary, and Northern Bukovina to Romania. Ukraine is hardly innocent in all these ethnic border disputes.


89 posted on 04/15/2024 2:35:27 PM PDT by rxh4n1
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To: Jan_Sobieski
"Christian Russia" Idols, fables, and fairy tales....

This looks worse than Amerika.

90 posted on 04/15/2024 2:40:38 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: rxh4n1

I work all hours dude.

Sometimes I don’t post but only twice a week also - that said I don’t care what you believe.


91 posted on 04/15/2024 2:42:12 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Russia is the last of the Christian nation states that is defending their borders and peoples from the Globalist Sodomites.


92 posted on 04/15/2024 2:47:43 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

…and the 2019 Rand Corporation report on “Russia” confirmed this, and also revealed Russia in NOT looking for conquest, but rather building their economy and elevating the Russian people. This is why the Globalists have been provoking Russia to war and encircling Russia with NATO


93 posted on 04/15/2024 2:56:20 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan
"... you cannot ciite any URL from anywhere the confirms the fantasy that the CIA admitted fomenting the Maidan revolution." IDJIT !!, did you really just post that ?!!!
94 posted on 04/15/2024 3:44:31 PM PDT by A strike (There is no tyranny that cannot be justified by 'climate change')
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To: Chad C. Mulligan
John McCain tells Ukraine protesters: 'We are here to support your just cause'

Senator John McCain on Sunday told thousands of Ukrainian protesters camped on Kiev's main square that Ukraine's destiny lay in Europe and that it would make Europe better.

"Ukraine will make Europe better and Europe will make Ukraine better," he said to crowds protesting against President Viktor Yanukovich's U-turn in trade policy away from Europe towards Russia.

"We are here to support your just cause, the sovereign right of Ukraine to determine its own destiny freely and independently. And the destiny you seek lies in Europe," said McCain, a leading Republican voice on US foreign policy.

95 posted on 04/15/2024 3:48:08 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

Still can’t show that “the CIA admitted fomenting the rebellion”, can you.


96 posted on 04/15/2024 4:01:02 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: A strike
" IDJIT !!, did you really just post that ?!!!

I certainly did, and I'm still waiting for a URL that confirms the claim that the CIA admitted fomenting the rebellion. Get to work! If it's out there, find it and post it!

97 posted on 04/15/2024 4:11:34 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Yeah, there’s gonna be all kinds of URL evidence of that
Why so proud to be such an IDJIT?


98 posted on 04/15/2024 4:18:15 PM PDT by A strike (There is no tyranny that cannot be justified by 'climate change')
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Let the Euroweenies pay for the Ukraine.
Let them defend it.
It’s a brother war, meaning both sides lose.

All I know is OUR TROOPS are doing without while on exercises.
Our National Guard troops are doing without on their deployments.

Do you folks bickering have actual blood in the game? And I’m not talking POGS, but 11Bs? Cause your viewpoint is different in their shoes.

The real war should be with Iran, but the imbeciles of Obama and Biden fund those rats with 80 million, plus all the equipment that we desperately need that was in Afghanistan.
Joint exercises with foreign militaries are usually a effing nightmare. It’s time Italy’s army learn they can’t show it because it’s too cold is not acceptable.
Let the Germans fight who would faint doing regular PT .
Very few Euro units are worth a damn dime. It’s time they put on their big boy boots.

So no more money for a bunch of cowards to coast. Let Zelensky sell one of his damned 20 million dollar villas to fund his war.

The US is broke and broken.


99 posted on 04/15/2024 4:31:13 PM PDT by 1ScrappyArmyMom
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Georgia parliament descends into chaos as lawmakers throw punches over Putin-style ‘foreign agent’ bill

https://www.foxnews.com/world/georgia-parliament-descends-chaos-lawmakers-throw-punches-putin-style-foreign-agent-bill


100 posted on 04/15/2024 4:44:21 PM PDT by Libloather (Why do climate change hoax deniers live in mansions on the beach?)
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