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Intriguing. Hydrogen cells are powered by controlled injection of hydrogen into plain air, causing combustion reaction, emitting water vapor exhaust from bonding of oxygen and hydrogen. Give me that over EVs any day, if it actually works and is marketable.
1 posted on 04/07/2024 12:09:19 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
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Water vapor? Sounds dangerous. Hotter than air. Hotter than the water itself. It’s going to cause more warming in the atmosphere. It can scald. It must be stopped.


30 posted on 04/07/2024 1:01:55 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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Unmitigated horseshit. There is no water engine. There is nothing new here. It is hydrogen and it is harder to access than methane or oil. The only “cheap” forms are from waste electricity conversion by electrolysis. Electricity demand is growing and supply is diminishing. Do the math. It isn’t hard. Hydrogen power is a unicorn fart.


31 posted on 04/07/2024 1:16:16 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance)
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Hey, the rising seas, should be a win-win.

But . . . Gee, those darn citizens will still be able to drive around where they want to.

So - - - It is Bad.


34 posted on 04/07/2024 1:28:31 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Running Rampant, and not endorsing nonsense)
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Problem with that is, water is essential to life itself. Go mucking with that limited supply, and another issue is more than likely to arise. Potable water is already an issue in many areas of the world.

Cranking up desalination water plants is a remedy for the potable water issue, however, then we have to start concerning ourselves with the consequences, if any, of excessive desalination. Since we have an overabundance of salt water, we know not what the ramifications might be with lessening the amount and where that breaking point would be reached. But ramifications will expose themselves without question. Because that is how it goes. Advances lead ultimately to negative setbacks. I suspect the consequences would involve a reduction in sea life that require salt water. But it may not be limited to just that.

It's the conundrum humans face with regards to life on earth.

35 posted on 04/07/2024 1:30:40 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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I see phony-baloney channels on this garbage platform all the time. One of them had my poor mom believing Musk bought GM, a few months back.


37 posted on 04/07/2024 1:34:42 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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Any time I see or hear the words “changes everything”, there is reason to be suspicious, especially when Musk is involved.


39 posted on 04/07/2024 1:42:51 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Nothing says "Democracy" like throwing your opponents in jail.)
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If you hurry, you can get $40,000 off a 2023 Toyota Mirai Limited, a fuel-cell vehicle that retails for $66,000. When you factor in the $15,000 in free hydrogen over six years and the available 0% interest loan, the new car would run you just $11,000. That’s how much it costs Toyota to make the vehicle’s fuel cell stack alone, according to the most recent estimate. You buy the fuel cell, Toyota pays for the rest of the car.

It would be a great deal, if you can find the hydrogen to power it.

Toyota’s discount comes on the heels of Shell’s announcement three weeks ago that it’s closing its hydrogen filling stations in California. Granted, the oil company only had seven to begin with (five of which had been out of order), but that still represents more than 10% of the Golden State’s stations, nearly all of which are clustered around Los Angeles and San Francisco. Of those that remain, about a quarter are offline, according to the Hydrogen Fuel Cell Partnership.

https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/28/hydrogens-real-markets/

https://h2fcp.org/stationmap
https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/hydrogen-locations#/find/nearest?fuel=HY

https://www.toyota.com/mirai/
https://www.fastechus.com/blog/vehicle-manufacturers-working-on-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicles


45 posted on 04/07/2024 2:18:00 PM PDT by Brown Deer
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I designed several electric water vapor engines a long time ago but I was never able to get the math to work out in my favor.

probably the wankel variant I considered would be mostly possible?

no I don’t think so offhand, but maths is fun


52 posted on 04/07/2024 3:04:05 PM PDT by algore
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Wonder if it will get to market before the E-Cat cold fusion generator thing with free unlimited energy?


53 posted on 04/07/2024 3:05:05 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (We used to be a Republic, we are now a Fascist Klepto-Thugocracy.)
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Hydrogen is energy intensive to make, expensive, easily escapes most containers, and is highly compustable


57 posted on 04/07/2024 3:26:01 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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He stole that idea from William H. Macy or David Mamet or somebody.


58 posted on 04/07/2024 3:32:10 PM PDT by x
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If they could make it run on yellow water, they could use one on the senior center bus, and on long field trips, the seniors could take turns filling the tank.

59 posted on 04/07/2024 3:37:08 PM PDT by Songcraft ( )
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The chemical bond in water is very stable so breaking it into H and O using electrolysis works but isn’t efficient. An energy source is still needed to produce the hydrogen gas, which can then be combined in a fuel cell with the oxygen in the ambient air to generate a DC current and generate a pure water exhaust.

Recharging such a car would be pretty fast, but the volume of stored hydrogen is large. Liquid fuel is more compact than hydrogen. Also hydrogen storage leaks because hydrogen atoms are tiny and tanks have to be under great pressure.

Kevin at Engineering Explained has a number of vids about the science, engineering, approaches, and pitfalls. Contrary to what you may have seen here from trolls here and elsewhere, he isn’t an electric car fanatic, he likes cars and he likes facts, rather than kneejerk responses and agendas.

https://www.youtube.com/@EngineeringExplained/search?query=hydrogen


62 posted on 04/07/2024 4:36:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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I thought Toyota was working on a water engine.....?????


65 posted on 04/07/2024 5:31:00 PM PDT by Arlis
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This looks like a massive disinformation campaign.

I see NOTHING from Musk.

This is all over YouTube and Facebook, which are competitors to X/Twitter.

I also see similar posts over the past few years.

No one seems to have a link to a post by Musk or a press release from Tesla.

Don’t fall for this.


69 posted on 04/07/2024 7:01:06 PM PDT by unlearner (I, Robot: I think I finally understand why Dr. Lanning created me... ;-)
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