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Trump-proofing weapons for Ukraine: Allies consider moving arms group into NATO
Politico via Yahoo ^ | April 2nd, 2024 | Lara Seligman, Stuart Lau and Paul McLeary

Posted on 04/02/2024 4:23:25 PM PDT by Mariner

Edited on 04/03/2024 2:35:46 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

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To: Mariner

It should be obvious by now - as long as NATO exists, the US deep-state will thrive and the Republic will be slowly strangled to death.


21 posted on 04/02/2024 7:01:49 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Mariner

Sounds kinda coup ish.


22 posted on 04/02/2024 7:07:16 PM PDT by The Louiswu (Pray for Peace in the world.)
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To: Mariner

When Trump regains the WH, it will be a good time to make some overdue changes.

Assist the EU in forming their defense forces and meld NATO into the EU military.

Disband NATO and bring the US assets home.

Re-draw our relationship and support of Europe from a solid line one to dotted line one.


23 posted on 04/02/2024 7:45:43 PM PDT by elpadre
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To: ansel12

“..Russians both contributed to and directly killed in combat, Americans in Vietnam and Korea...”

Not when I was in Korea. It was all NK and Chinese - lots of NK and Chinese!!!


24 posted on 04/02/2024 7:51:55 PM PDT by elpadre
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To: MinorityRepublican

“When General Eisenhower was elected president, his predecessor, Harry S. Truman, said: “Poor Ike, when he was a general, he gave an order and it was carried out. Now he’s going to sit in that big office and he’ll give an order and not a damn thing will happen.”


25 posted on 04/02/2024 8:09:09 PM PDT by Bob Wills is still the king (Just a Texas Playboy at heart)
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To: Mariner
The Ukraine group was launched in the early weeks of the war by Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and then-Joint Chiefs Chair Gen. Mark Milley

A couple of by-the-book sellouts that desperately need a new job as linear strength test weights for organic fiber break tests.

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26 posted on 04/02/2024 8:49:05 PM PDT by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Bob Wills is still the king

Yup !

The reality of Oligarchic rule.


27 posted on 04/02/2024 9:08:13 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Mariner
The Europeans are not our friends, and the U.S. should exit NATO as soon as possible. The greatest evil that threatens the free world is not Russia, and it’s not even China. The greatest threat is one world government globalism, and that movement is centered in Europe. The totalitarians in Europe make the Putins and even the Hitlers and Maos of the world look like fuzzy little bunnies.

These demons in Europe are seriously planning to starve billions of people by pushing ever more “green” restrictions on farming, to name just one of their endless string of horrific plans. They don’t just want to kill their own populations, or even millions of Jews, they want to kill a large portion of the entire population of the Earth, and subjugate those remaining under a tyrannical global government. It’s ludicrous to keep describing them as “allies” when they are the most dangerous people on the planet. But if we withdrew from NATO we could at least distract them for a while with having to deal with their own populations who would be furious when their U.S.-subsidized welfare states suddenly began to crumble. And we would no longer be funding their tyranny.

28 posted on 04/02/2024 9:28:19 PM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Mariner

Trump is the one who initiated the whole process of shipping large quantities of weaponry to Ukraine.
Obama refused to send any weapons to Ukraine. He only sent pillows and blankets!
I’m for Trump’s pro Ukraine polices. His pro-weapon stance for Ukraine (he put in place in 2017-2021) must continue.


29 posted on 04/02/2024 9:33:34 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: elpadre

Sorry, I just saw your post.
Russia was there, fighting you in your United Nations war and claims 400 kills in the air.

“Korean United Nations war.”

“Despites its denials at the time, the Soviet Union was intimately involved in the Korean War. The contribution made by the Soviets was vital. They provided diplomatic support, strategic and grand tactical planning, including the planning of the invasion of South Korea, and essential logistical support. They supplied and trained the air forces of China and North Korea. Soviet pilots flew aircraft with Chinese or North Korean markings and after the war claimed to have shot down over 400 UN aircraft.”


30 posted on 04/02/2024 9:48:33 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Mariner

Knock off the profanity.


31 posted on 04/03/2024 2:37:32 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Mariner

He has the power to stop any and all ITAR and EAR exports if he wanted to.


32 posted on 04/03/2024 2:41:24 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: ansel12

Were we “conquering and absorbing” South Vietnam?

This is more complex than simply invading a neighboring country; I’m not thrilled with it, but I understand this hopeless war is grinding down both populations.


33 posted on 04/04/2024 4:32:49 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: ansel12

You mean the Soviet Union, correct? Because that included Ukrainians, FWIW.


34 posted on 04/04/2024 4:34:00 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

The nations that have escaped the Soviet Union are mostly our friends and allies now, we all knew the USSR was Russia and mostly used the words interchangeably, and no, we were not trying to conquer and absorb South Vietnam and make it part of our nation.


35 posted on 04/04/2024 4:39:05 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12

That’s how you’d like to envision the USSR, but the fact is it was NOT just Russia.

So. Vietnam asked for assistance, and we responded. The ethnic Russians asked Putin for assistance, and he responded. They were being marginalized in areas where they were clear majorities, with the use of Russian alongside Ukrainian in government business (for example), so they decided they didn’t want to be part of Ukraine anymore.

I won’t carry water for Putin or the Russians living in the Ukraine, but look into the causes of this conflict before assuming this was just a bully attacking a neighbor. The Russians within Ukraine’s borders see a different bully.


36 posted on 04/04/2024 5:15:49 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

Putin is attempting to conquer Ukraine and absorb its wealth and agriculture and important coastline into Russia as a major step toward rebuilding the Russian evil empire.

Sweden and Finland saw something that you aren’t and even Switzerland and Austria are discussing seeking NATO membership to avoid what they see as the long-term goals that Russia has of step by step rebuilding empire.


37 posted on 04/04/2024 5:29:10 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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