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Gun Ban for Illegal Immigrants Ruled Unconstitutional
Bearing Arms ^ | 3/16/24 | Tom Knighton

Posted on 03/16/2024 11:05:42 AM PDT by CFW

The right to keep and bear arms is a natural right, meaning all free men and women have that right, regardless of where they are on the planet. It's part of why so many of us find other nations' gun laws so insulting. It's a repression of people's right to have weapons to defend themselves and their nation.

A repression that goes out the window in the face of invasion, it should be noted.

But that brings about the question of illegal immigrants. Do they forfeit their rights when they enter the United States illegally, or do they maintain their rights as they've not actually been convicted of a felony or anything else?

For a long time, the official line is that they don't get to have guns. Period.

Yet a federal court has decided something quite differently.

(Excerpt) Read more at bearingarms.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; aliens; banglist; firearms; illegalaliens; invasion
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To: CFW

This is not the America I grew up in.


21 posted on 03/16/2024 12:09:19 PM PDT by bgill
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

hell no. They broke the law coming here and they need a broken jaw


22 posted on 03/16/2024 12:23:29 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: bgill

“This is not the America I grew up in.”

And you can thank Obama & Minions for that. One of the few times he actually spoke the truth: “We’re five days away from the fundamental transformation of the United States.”

And the rest is history. A very negative, deliberately destructive history and one we may not recover from, since it is still ongoing.

The unintended consequences of forcing a ‘transformation’... resulted in MAGA/Trump and in more Americans becoming aware of the corruption of government, the existence of the Deep State, and the Marxist agenda. Thanks, Obama.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=10158165813780093


23 posted on 03/16/2024 12:25:03 PM PDT by Danie_2023 (n)
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To: Danie_2023

He hates Jews, yet they voted for him.

He promised to shut down coal mines, yet the United Mine Workers of America were campaigning for him on their home page.

Insanity.


24 posted on 03/16/2024 12:28:53 PM PDT by bgill
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To: CFW

So how do we distinguish between an illegal alien and a foreign invader?


25 posted on 03/16/2024 12:30:33 PM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: CFW

Is it my imagination or are 9 out of 10 black women in positions of authority the absolute worst?

Definitely a pattern. Big Mike, Willis, this one, L. James, and on and on.


26 posted on 03/16/2024 12:42:08 PM PDT by Boomer (If the Rats, Rinos, Uniparty wins, everyone loses.)
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To: CFW

District court. It will be appealed upwardly, and hopefully quickly.


27 posted on 03/16/2024 12:44:54 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never...in nothing, great or small...Winston ChurchIill)
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To: CFW
"Gun Ban for Illegal Immigrants Ruled Unconstitutional"

...... Under current law ... Crossing the US Border Illegally is a Felony. Being a Felon forfeits your right to own a gun. Case Closed.

.

28 posted on 03/16/2024 12:50:18 PM PDT by R_Kangel ("A nation of sheep will beget a nation ruled by wolves")
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To: Robert DeLong

Who nominated her and who voted yeah? That’s what I’d like to know.


29 posted on 03/16/2024 1:15:21 PM PDT by kawhill (kawhill)
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To: CFW

Illegal aliens are outside of the Constitution by legal definition.


30 posted on 03/16/2024 1:31:05 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again," )
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To: CFW

Hell no!

However...

If we think that would stop them tapping the weapons and
ammunition the Left has been stockpiling for them, we’re
kidding ourselves.


31 posted on 03/16/2024 1:39:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the USofA & to the Constitutional REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: CFW

Oh, so now the left discovers natural rights. They were apoplectic when Justice Thomas was nominated because of his strong natural rights beliefs. Only when they got nowhere with opposing him on that did they trot out that lying puttana Anita Hill.


32 posted on 03/16/2024 1:49:03 PM PDT by Dahoser (I finally figured out what to call him: Fakephonyfraudident Biden.)
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To: CFW; All
Thank you for referencing that article CFW.

"Gun Ban for Illegal Immigrants Ruled Unconstitutional"


FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

Consider the following excerpt from the referenced article, allegedly from a federal judge.

“The Second Amendment protects people’s ability to own a gun even if they’ve entered the country illegally."

The HUGE constitutional problem with the misguided (politically correct?) court's interpretation of the scope of the 2nd Amendment (2A) protections is this imo. The interpretation disturbingly overlooks historical scope of 2A in the context of the 14th Amendment (14A).

More specifically, when the Bill of Rights (BoR) was ratified, the states had decided that they did not have to protect the rights expressly protected by the BoR. The states obligated only the federal government to respect the BoR, 2A protections in this example.

It wasn't until the states ratified the 14th Amendment (14A), 14A expanding personal constitutional protections for citizens from federal government infringement to the states, that the states likewise obligated themselves to respect BoR protections.

So let's take a look at key wording in 14A and another example as they pertain to scope of constitutionally enumerated personal protections.

Excerpted from 14A:

In other words, before 14A existed, although states recognized the natural right and necessity for citizens to protect themselves, the states could legally prohibit people from owning a gun, minimum age limit for owing a gun, also no guns for illegal aliens as examples.

In fact, the Supreme Court later emphasized that constitutionally enumerated rights apply only to citizens in post-14A ratification case of Minor v. Happersett.

Excerpted from Minor v. Happersett:

“3. The right of suffrage was not necessarily one of the privileges or immunities of citizenship before the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, and that amendment does not add to these privileges and immunities. It simply furnishes additional guaranty for the protection of such as the citizen already had [emphases added].” —Minor v. Happersett, 1874.

Again, depending on what federal judges actually said about 2A, some post-FDR era, institutionally indoctrinated judge unsurprisingly seems to be clueless about history of scope of BoR protections as it concerns illegal aliens, 2A in this example.

33 posted on 03/16/2024 2:17:43 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: kawhill

If you guessed Obama you would not be wrong. 😋


34 posted on 03/16/2024 2:33:05 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Huskrrrr
I see a plan coming together.

Glad I'm not the only one.

Plan point 1: Allow illegals to own and carry. Some of them go stupid with their guns. Raise hue and cry for strict gun control.

Plan point 2: Ensure Chinese-national illegal immigrants are armed, which will form the basis of a sabotage unit of the PLA, should we ever need to fight China.

China

35 posted on 03/16/2024 2:42:13 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Laz 2005: "First, we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.")
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To: CFW
In states that don't allow registration of firearms (like Florida), aren't licenses still required for concealed carry?

If illegal aliens are allowed to own firearms, how can they obtain a license when the left insists that they are "undocumented?"

What documents will an illegal alien provide to secure a license to conceal carry?

If they succeed in obtaining a concealed carry permit, are the still "undocumented?" Can we go back to calling them illegal aliens?

-PJ

36 posted on 03/16/2024 2:48:01 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: CFW

JUST SO!

Though not convicted, EVERY illegal alien in the USA is a FELON!

Felons are not permitted to own weapons!

This insanity will be the ruin of the USA!


37 posted on 03/16/2024 3:14:11 PM PDT by Taxman ((SAVE AMERICA! VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2024! SAVE AMERICA!))
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To: CFW

It comes down to one thing. In reference to the 2nd Amendment, who are “the people”.


38 posted on 03/16/2024 3:52:58 PM PDT by rickomatic
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To: Robert DeLong

One of the DUMBEST rulings, ever.


39 posted on 03/16/2024 5:39:35 PM PDT by telescope115 (I NEED MY SPACE!!! 🔭)
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To: telescope115

So many dumb rulings anymore. I see a pattern here. Total incompetence.


40 posted on 03/16/2024 5:47:00 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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