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Warnings of the impact of fertility treatments in Alabama rush in after frozen embryo ruling
AP ^ | 2/21/2024 | Kim Chandler

Posted on 02/21/2024 8:23:07 AM PST by thefactor

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To: thefactor

Well, if embryos are children, then abortion is murder, right? Will they now start prosecuting doctors, etc.?

This will have ramifications far beyond IVF.


21 posted on 02/21/2024 10:45:15 AM PST by Whatever Works
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To: packagingguy

If you went through IVF and it took a couple weeks and you were able to treat it like a vacation, then whatever country you were in and the US have VERY different definitions of IVF. Did you do an IUI process, perhaps, and not a full IVF where you take birth control and have to give yourself injections every night for weeks and have to have eggs harvested and then go through weeks of testing and then implantation?


22 posted on 02/21/2024 10:50:55 AM PST by thefactor
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To: thefactor
I will RUN to the ballot box to vote for every single Dem on the ballot

Go ahead. If that's what you want to do; if killing babies is so important to you as to overwhelm everything else, you absolutely SHOULD vote for The Party of Babykilling.

23 posted on 02/21/2024 10:59:11 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

If you can look under a microscope and see a dozen cells with the wrong number of chromosomes as to make them not able to reproduce themselves and form a human life and call it “a baby” then you are dumber than even I initially thought. The world will be a smarter place the day you don’t wake up.


24 posted on 02/21/2024 11:08:53 AM PST by thefactor
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To: thefactor

Yes. You should vote Democrat. Your fascination with death would fit right in. Please be sure to vote for all democrats on your ballot. They most accurately represent you.


25 posted on 02/21/2024 11:18:19 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain
I'll ask you a simple yes or no question, if you can handle it. We fertilized ten eggs. Of those ten, eight were nonviable (they did not have 23 pairs of chromosomes). We disposed of those eight and we now have the two viable embryos.

Do you think we should be charged with eight counts of murder?

26 posted on 02/21/2024 11:35:55 AM PST by thefactor
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To: jacknhoo

“How many children are you and your wife going to kill, to get the one you want?”

Even in the course of natural sex, more fertilized eggs die than go to birth. How many fertilized eggs died to get the ones you wanted?


27 posted on 02/21/2024 11:41:57 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: thefactor

This is why the Republicans, I’d they want to win, will make these type of issues be non-federal and kept at the state/local level. Failure to do this ensures that the Dems will win and force all 50 States to be exactly what social conservatives fear that their local State could become on all these types of issues while ensuring that Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden clones are making all the laws from top to borrom across the US. It really is this simple and it’s shocking how pig headed people are when they deny this political reality.


28 posted on 02/21/2024 11:49:41 AM PST by Degaston
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To: TexasGator

Irrelevant. With natural sex you aren’t in control of or responsible for the process of implantation. Your responsibility starts when you are successful.

With IVF you are taking charge of it. I know IVF couples who claim their failures as lost children and the numbers are pretty shocking to me. There is no way I would be willing to go through that process.


29 posted on 02/21/2024 11:55:54 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: thefactor

Yes.

Are you going to vote for Biden?


30 posted on 02/21/2024 12:02:19 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain
Morons like you, who have no idea what you are talking about, are the reason we lost in 2020, 2022, 2023, and 2024. The only good thing about you and your kind is that you won't be around much longer.

And if you had read my comment #19 you'd see I already answered your question, but I understand your difficulty in reading comprehension. Go thump your bible you old fool.

31 posted on 02/21/2024 12:07:44 PM PST by thefactor
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To: thefactor

I have noticed that there is a certain sort of person who simply cannot discuss controversial matters without hurling insults and death-wishes.


32 posted on 02/21/2024 12:09:26 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: thefactor

Woman sent to jail for having a headache.


33 posted on 02/21/2024 12:49:01 PM PST by Babba Gi
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To: NorthMountain
LOL! Let me remind you how this entire exchange began:

Me: This issue is going to hurt Republican chances of winning elections, and it's personal to me because my wife and I are going through it in the pursuit of having a child.

Your FIRST reply: "How many children are you and your wife going to kill?"

But you think I'M the one who started with the insults??? I think I understand why this issue is so important to you. You must have less than 46 chromosomes and you would've been discarded, as you should have been. Because no normal person lives in your reality.

34 posted on 02/21/2024 1:16:37 PM PST by thefactor
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To: thefactor

We started the process in the United States, that is with the drugs. Harvest and implantation was done overseas.


35 posted on 02/21/2024 1:19:17 PM PST by packagingguy
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To: hopespringseternal

“Irrelevant. With natural sex you aren’t in control of or responsible for the process of implantation. Your responsibility starts when you are successful.”

If both processes cause the death of fertilized eggs then it is only a matter of numbers.

Perhaps in the future IVF will result in fewer lost fertilizations than natural sex.


36 posted on 02/21/2024 1:20:46 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

Not in the least. Thirty people killed by a cancer is not morally equivalent to thirty people killed by medical malpractice.


37 posted on 02/21/2024 2:22:49 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: hopespringseternal

“Not in the least. Thirty people killed by a cancer is not morally equivalent to thirty people killed by medical malpractice.”

Not related


38 posted on 02/21/2024 2:25:26 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

Exactly related.


39 posted on 02/21/2024 2:34:13 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: hopespringseternal

“Exactly related.”

No. Cancer and murder are two unrelated events.


40 posted on 02/21/2024 2:44:43 PM PST by TexasGator
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