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To: CatHerd
OSCE reports don't support your claim.

Before Russia's 2022 invasion only a few civilians per year were injured or killed in Ukraine from actual fighting or shelling. And many of them were Ukrainians hit by shelling from Donetsk. Most were victims of unexploded ordnance.

But thanks for showing us you are just another Russian propagandist.

30 posted on 12/26/2023 12:15:17 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

Yes, OSCE reports do support my claim.


Key figures

Casualties by year

• 486 in 2017; 238 in 2018; 148 in 2019; 74 in 2020 (1 January to 15 September)

Casualties by type of incident
• Shelling: 66 killed and 452 injured
• Small arms and light weapons: 11 killed and 96 injured
• Mines, unexploded ordnance and other explosive objects: 81 killed and 231 injured
• Other: three killed and six injured

Civilian casualties by region and control
• 750 in Donetsk region and 196 in Luhansk region
• Government-controlled areas: 223 in Donetsk region and 47 in Luhansk region
• Non-government-controlled areas: 513 in Donetsk region and 144 in Luhansk region
• Areas not controlled by either side: 14 in Donetsk region and five in Luhansk region

Casualties by sex and age
• 531 men; 315 women; and 100 children (73 boys and 27 girls)
• 72 per cent of adult civilians killed or injured by mines and unexploded ordnance (UXO) were men;
among minors, 90 per cent were boys
• More than 40 per cent of cases where men were killed or injured by mines and UXOs were due to mis￾handling or attempting to dismantle these objects; this amounted to 87 per cent of cases among boys
• Over 70 per cent of civilians killed or injured by mines or other explosive objects along riverbanks were
men

www.osce.org/files/f/documents/f/b/469734.pdf


I have been reading OSCE reports off and on (off times because of family illness) since 2014. Civilians have been killed on both sides. And sorry, civilians targets hit. Note the above does not include 2014-2015, when civilian casualties per year were reportedly higher than in later years.

Here’s pro-Ukraine BBC:

Ukraine crisis: Children die in Donetsk shelling

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29912055

I suppose you think AI and HRW are “Russian propaganda” outlets? Now that’s funny!

For some reason, you want to believe Ukrainians are all pure angels and Russians are all pure devils. Well, that’s the comic book mentality that seems to have taken over.


34 posted on 12/26/2023 1:17:10 PM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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