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The FBI took $86 million from safe deposit boxes. An appeals court will decide if that's constitutional
Fox News ^ | December 7, 2023 | Hannah Ray Lambert

Posted on 12/07/2023 4:20:57 PM PST by george76

Civil rights attorneys argue FBI defied warrant by searching people's safe deposit boxes...

FBI agents cataloged Cartier bracelets, Rolex watches and stacks of cash as they combed through safe deposit boxes seized from a Beverly Hills business accused of money laundering. But the owners of many of those boxes were not accused of any crimes.

After hearing arguments from both sides Thursday, a panel of judges from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals will decide whether the sweeping raid violated customers' Fourth Amendment rights.

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Agents took about $86 million in cash from the boxes, as well as a trove of jewelry, gold bars and coins, silver and other valuables.

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Civil asset forfeiture is the process through which the government seizes money or other property believed to be linked to a crime without ever charging the owner.

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attorneys from the Institute for Justice argued that the FBI "broke open hundreds of safe deposit boxes, and then it tried to civilly forfeit everything in those boxes worth over $5,000" after the raid without any probable cause.

IJ wants the appeals court to definitively state that the FBI violated individuals' rights and to force the federal government to destroy copies it made of customers' private documents — including medical records, wills and trusts —

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The warrant only authorized agents to seize business computers, money counters and surveillance equipment.

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Forfeiture generated more than $45.7 billion in revenue for the federal government alone between 2000 and 2019

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: armedrobbery; assetforfeiture; civil; civilforfeiture; civilrights; donutwatch; fbi; forfeiture; fourthamendment; pirates; roadpirates; safedeposit; safedepositboxes; theft; warrant
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1 posted on 12/07/2023 4:20:57 PM PST by george76
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FDR did the same thing nationwide.


2 posted on 12/07/2023 4:23:28 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: george76

The FBI and the missing loot.....

https://mayberry.fandom.com/wiki/The_Shoplifters?file=Little_old_ladies.jpg


3 posted on 12/07/2023 4:23:49 PM PST by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging.It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls.)
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They should return whatever WASN’T listed on the warrant!

THIEVES!


4 posted on 12/07/2023 4:25:05 PM PST by telescope115 (I NEED MY SPACE!!! 🔭)
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To: george76

“”But the owners of many of those boxes were not accused of any crimes.””

Of course not.

The feds were there to steal, not enforce the law.

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5 posted on 12/07/2023 4:26:08 PM PST by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: george76

In a Banana Republic such as ours, the government can grab what they want to.

Who’s going to stop them?


6 posted on 12/07/2023 4:27:50 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (A truth that’s told with bad intent, Beats all the lies you can invent ~ Wm. Blake)
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To: frank ballenger
Possession is 9/10ths of the law.
7 posted on 12/07/2023 4:28:16 PM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: george76

“...attorneys from the Institute for Justice argued that the FBI “broke open hundreds of safe deposit boxes, and then it tried to civilly forfeit everything in those boxes worth over $5,000” after the raid without any probable cause.

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The appeal comes after a lower court last year sided with the FBI.”


This happened 3.5 years ago and people are still having to sue, and pay lawyers, to try to get their property back.

Where is this “Constitution” I hear so much about on this site ?


8 posted on 12/07/2023 4:28:24 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: george76

One if the Fed comments at the time was something like no one but criminals use these places.

It’s hard to believe this is still going on but the FBI stole btc fr the Silk Road guy and yet everything carried on as usual. The FBI is clearly above the law.

Thomas is vehemently opposed these seizures, maybe it’s time to do something about it?


9 posted on 12/07/2023 4:30:21 PM PST by Freest Republican (This space for rent)
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Mike Johnson needs to establish a Church Committee for the FBI. Like the CIA in the 1960s and 70s, the lawless FBI is out of control with no oversight or accountability.

10 posted on 12/07/2023 4:30:34 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: george76

Lawless.


11 posted on 12/07/2023 4:38:47 PM PST by sauropod (The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly.)
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To: george76

My parents used to have important papers and a few valuable items in a safety deposit box. Then, my dad found out from the bank that the government could seize them, and often did just because no one had been to visit the box in a certain period. (He was in the IBEW and probably had to deal with someone this had happened to.) He closed out the box and brought it all home. This was about 1970.


12 posted on 12/07/2023 4:39:25 PM PST by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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Thieves. Those items are already gone.

Ever seen the home of a cop who’s been on the drug squad? A police salary won’t pay for a Camaro and an Escalade and a boat in the driveway


13 posted on 12/07/2023 4:46:27 PM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

It’s pretty clear that until some of these abusers are charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison it will only get worse.


14 posted on 12/07/2023 4:48:52 PM PST by Rlsau1
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Well one can hardly expect hard working agents to have time to go to the local mall when getting gifts for loved one.


15 posted on 12/07/2023 4:55:46 PM PST by lastchance (Cognovit Dominus qui sunt eius.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

He was an sob fascist wannabee Dictator.


16 posted on 12/07/2023 4:58:14 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND LEFTISM! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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To: lastchance

Biden could order the FBI to return the property if enough political pressure were put on him, especially in an election year.


17 posted on 12/07/2023 4:58:50 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: george76

Some guy robbed my apt complex many years ago in philly. This sounds about the same. Maybe he works for the FIBS now.


18 posted on 12/07/2023 5:00:39 PM PST by kvanbrunt2
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To: george76

But the worst part is that if you sue the corrupt FBI/DOJ to recover your assets you have to prove the amount of the asset and how you obtained it. Which is assets backwards constitutionality.


19 posted on 12/07/2023 5:10:50 PM PST by Rowdyone (Vigilence)
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Thank goodness we have Mike Johnson. Ohh wait.


20 posted on 12/07/2023 5:12:25 PM PST by roving (👌⚓Deplorable Listless Vessel with Trumpitist who looks Trumpish)
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