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We Now Know What Caused That Devastating LA Freeway Fire
PJ Media ^ | 11/15/2023 | Stephen Green

Posted on 11/15/2023 10:16:28 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Some decisions are so negligent and with consequences so predictably disastrous that only a Big Stupid Government could ever make them. Over the weekend, a massive fire under I-10 at E. 14th Ave. in Los Angeles was severe enough to cause structural damage bad enough to close that section of the freeway "indefinitely."

The miracle — thanks to Big Stupid Government — is that it didn't happen sooner.

With more than 300,000 vehicles being rerouted each and every day until further notice, frustrated Los Angelenos demanded answers — and, on Tuesday, they got one.

"Bad actors" caused the fire, according to State Fire Marshal Daniel Berlant.

Some unknown arsonist is believed to have started Saturday's blaze, but that's not the "bad actor" to whom Berlant was referring. You see, the city government leases underpass space to people and companies for storage. In this case, "bad actors" filled the underpass with wooden pallets and containers of alcohol-based hand sanitizer.

In my report on Monday (and at the top of this story), you can see the pallets stacked so high under the freeway that they're almost touching the underside of the elevated road. The photos were courtesy of Google Street View, so it isn't like the towers of literal kindling were some dark secret.

The city is currently in a legal battle with a company called Airspace that leased the underpass storage area.

Let us pause here to consider the ill-considered wonder of stuffing underpasses full of kindling and flammable goo. Let us pause again to consider the bone-crushing stupidity of allowing unpoliced homeless encampments filled with vagrants, addicts, and the mentally ill to cohabitate with pallets and accelerants.

"Giving money and power to government," P.J. O'Rourke quipped, "is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

(Excerpt) Read more at pjmedia.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; fire; freeway; lafreeway; lafreewayfire; losangeles; newsom; newsomfornia
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Meanwhile — you're going to love this one — KTLA reported Tuesday morning: "Just days after a massive blaze destroyed part of the 10 Freeway in downtown Los Angeles, another fire broke out under a different freeway." This time, the fire appears to have started at an underpass homeless encampment near eastbound 105 and southbound 110 and then spread to nearby vegetation. 

Fortunately, this fire didn't have nearly as much fuel to burn and only resulted in some traffic slowdowns.


1 posted on 11/15/2023 10:16:28 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“We Now Know”. We knew day 1 about the underpass storage.


2 posted on 11/15/2023 10:19:53 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: SeekAndFind




3 posted on 11/15/2023 10:22:09 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes the homeless are every where along the freeways on L.A.

Homeless is a big business for the non-profits and the city/county governments


4 posted on 11/15/2023 10:22:13 AM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Inside of 60 years, LA went from a shinny new big modern city, where most everyone was civil and united, to what it is today...Pure madness and decline in every direction...


5 posted on 11/15/2023 10:23:07 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

That’s pretty much the rest of the country.

Newsom will do to America what he’s done to California.


6 posted on 11/15/2023 10:24:43 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: SeekAndFind

stacks of pallets make excellent kindling

they sit out in the sun for a long time, so they’re completely dried-out, and if they do catch fire, there’s lots of airflow in the pallets to quickly grow the fire

and for that reason, they’re USUALLY stored in places where there’s nothing else around to catch fire ...


7 posted on 11/15/2023 10:29:38 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: dragnet2

Yes it was, good government, schools etc.

No oh hell no. I hate the place I was born in


8 posted on 11/15/2023 10:30:32 AM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The worst part is, they had the example of Atlanta from 2017 on this. There, it was HDPE plastic fiber optic conduit, huge rolls of the stuff. Burned really nicely, took out a key section of I-85 for a month and a half.

You’d think after that every state and local DOT would be on their toes for this sort of thing. You would think wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_85_bridge_collapse


9 posted on 11/15/2023 10:34:38 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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Newsome didn’t do it on his own. It was well underway long before Schwartzenegger. Fully approved by Fruit and Nut leftists.


10 posted on 11/15/2023 10:35:11 AM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: SeekAndFind

Humans created cities/towns/villages many thousands of years ago to protect ourselves from harm. We are regressing into primitives.


11 posted on 11/15/2023 10:36:19 AM PST by CodeToad (Rule#1: The elites want you dead.)
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To: dragnet2

Inside of 60 years, LA went from a shinny new big modern city, where most everyone was civil and united, to what it is today...


As you posted earlier, L.A. in the 50s and 60s was a wonderful place to live and grow up. Those times are long gone.

Atlanta suffered a similar fire a half dozen years ago on I85. Overpass was leased out for storage and homeless used it as a camp. Homeless started a fire that cause the overpass to collapse.

L.A. City is to blame for not getting the big meeting with China. Had they landed it, the homeless problem would have been cleaned up, at least for a week or two.


12 posted on 11/15/2023 10:36:37 AM PST by hanamizu ( )
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To: markman46

GTFO. I left Cal for Utah in 1982. You can do it. Just GTFO.


13 posted on 11/15/2023 10:37:07 AM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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14 posted on 11/15/2023 10:38:31 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: SeekAndFind

Search for “1866 East 14th Street, Los Angeles, CA” with Google Maps, then switch to Street View to see the “before” pictures.


15 posted on 11/15/2023 10:39:17 AM PST by AF_Blue (My decision-making skills closely resemble those of a squirrel when crossing a road)
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To: markman46

Excess inventory of hand sanitizer containers left over from COVID most likely.


16 posted on 11/15/2023 10:39:59 AM PST by Col Frank Slade
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To: SeekAndFind

BINGO. In a sense, it doesn’t matter what started it. Fires happen, whether it’s homeless warming fires, stealing electricity, or whatever. If a small fire involving homeless tents or their shopping carts had broken out, the FD could send out a single engine, pull a line off the rack, and have it out in 10 minutes. The fact that the State allowed massive amounts of combustible material to be stored under a large unsprinklered area is criminal negligence.


17 posted on 11/15/2023 10:50:27 AM PST by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia!)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is (or was) so much unused/unsold sanitizer in Southern California that producers were desperate to find storage locations.

Companies that had the ability to produce sanitizer - be they cosmetic companies, alcohol distilleries and others - were “all in” during the first six or so months of the pandemic. The major producers (i.e. Purell etc) had major supply problems not so much with the alcohol, but they had a dozen different models each required a different type of bag to refill. They couldn’t get the correct bags produced and delivered, so everyone switched to bottled sanitizer and refillable dispensers. Accordingly the FDA granted an exemption to allow non-FDA producers to make sanitizer.

I toured a warehouse mid 2021 I considered renting. It was filled 10 wide, 3 pallets high, 80 pallets deep with excess sanitizer production. The location I ended up renting had 4 trailers full of sanitizer (which they moved out so I could move in) and ended up leaving half dozen more pallets on the street marked “free”. I have heard of many more locations full of sanitizer and it’s not easy or inexpensive to dispose of.

Some companies just overproduced trying to capitalize on the Pandemic (and, possibly, to generate offsetting revenues since some of them did lose revenues from the shutdowns). So it’s no surprise to me that there are still tons of sanitizers stored all over the place. I’d expect fire marshalls to step up policing - assuming they know where to look. In this case, it was in plain sight. Alongside kindling (which was probably treated wood, more toxic to breathe).

I didn’t know if it was a campfire gone wild, but now it seems to have been arson as there is apparently a ring of burn around the fence. Whether the arsonists knew that he had this special circumstance of alcohol and wood as accelerants is anybody’s guess.


18 posted on 11/15/2023 10:52:21 AM PST by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: Col Frank Slade

Probably a contractor hired by government to store tons of excess hand sanitizer bought by the city or state with fed COVID grants - excess, as in, a payoff to a favored hand sanitizer contractor.


19 posted on 11/15/2023 10:57:24 AM PST by FirstFlaBn
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To: markman46
Homeless is a big business for the non-profits and the city/county governments.

Exactly why they have no incentive to fix it. Its a magic cash machine the more tax dollars to throw at it the bigger the problem becomes.

30 years and tens of billions of dollars later there are 10 times more homeless than when we started.

20 posted on 11/15/2023 11:05:27 AM PST by usurper (AI was born with a birth defect.)
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