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Nikki Haley is completely wrong to believe that America's "special bond with Israel" is just about money.

End aid to Israel now and unconditionally. We don't need it, and we don't need the strings attached, either. 3.5 billion annually is just a tiny portion of Israel's budget. We're self-sufficient, and not America's hireling.

1 posted on 08/21/2023 4:44:22 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
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Ah, there we go, cat fight between the two Indian anchor baby fake candidates for president. Offer them to sit down at a steakhouse to work this out?


2 posted on 08/21/2023 4:47:56 PM PDT by Reno89519 (DeSantis 2024. Successful Governor, Honorable Veteran, Respectful, Respected.)
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Holy crap! We agree on something with respect to Israel and the US.

Though I disagree with you over the boss v underling relationship.(As for which is which)


4 posted on 08/21/2023 4:52:33 PM PDT by EEGator
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Should be cutting foreign aid to every country.


5 posted on 08/21/2023 4:56:55 PM PDT by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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The candidate said that he supports ending the military funding to Israel once the current package passed by Congress expires in 2028, arguing that the aid would be unnecessary after he successfully negotiates new peace treaties between Israel and its Arab neighbors during the first year of his presidency.

Ok...and? If the Abraham Accords can be expanded to include all of Israel's Arab neighbors, then we _should_ end military funding to Israel. Israel is no longer the lonely, friendless and poor nation of the 1940s. It's an economic powerhouse and a major creator and exporter of military technology. If they no longer face perpetual war with neighbors and those neighbors are no longer harboring terrorists targeting Israel, then Israel no longer has any need for my tax dollars.
6 posted on 08/21/2023 4:57:14 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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Kinki Haley will never be president. 2024, 2028, 2032... or ever.


9 posted on 08/21/2023 5:08:11 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: Eleutheria5

End aid to Israel now and unconditionally. We don’t need it, and we don’t need the strings attached, either. 3.5 billion annually is just a tiny portion of Israel’s budget. We’re self-sufficient, and not America’s hireling.

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You may not be America’s hireling, but you aren’t giving up the money......that would be a financially stupid endeavor.
Plus, most American politicians don’t want to be perceived as Anti Semitic so voting for pro Israel positions are the norm for them.

Just so you know where “I’m coming from” the USA-Israel relationship from 1948-2023 doesn’t bother me at all.

What does bother me, is certain ingrate attitudes in both the USA & Israel that blame America for every issue non beneficial to the state of Israel.


10 posted on 08/21/2023 5:14:02 PM PDT by unclebankster ( Globalism is the last refuge of scoundrel)
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I can’t find anything wrong with the idea to make Israel secure through treaties with other nations. Trump began that with the Abraham Accords. And I have to say, the Abraham Accords are one of the most significant developments in foreign policy in 60+ years. Trump achieved that by going around the State Department. They are a cesspool and consistently wrong about nearly everything.

Why is it that government spending, aid and military support needs to be forever? Permanent spending is exactly the reason we are broke. It is as if the administrative state rarely solves any problem and when they do the spending continues. Spending, foreign aid and military support needs to end by solving problems and then cutting.

We still pay for Japan’s security and WWII was over 78 years ago. The U.S. has been supporting Israel since 1948. We still pay for South Korea’s security and the Korean War was over 70 years ago. We provide security to Taiwan. We still pay into NATO and the Cold War was over in 1991. There are many more examples. The one thing they all have in common is the underlying problem are not solved.

There several ways to solve the problems. I should be clear here, the problem is we spend money on aid and military support. Second to that is the underlying problem or in some cases there is no longer an underlying problem. Take Europe of example. There is no problem. They can take care of themselves. Leave NATO. The same is true with South Korea. They can take care of themselves. They make nothing significant that we need. We can be free of national interests in South Korea through self sufficiency.

We actually have a significant threat in China relations with Taiwan. We have a real interest in Taiwan because we are reliant on their semiconductors. The solution to Taiwan is to become semiconductor self sufficient. Additionally, we have significant dependencies on mainland China for pharmaceuticals, steel and building materials, plus all that crap people fill their homes. These problems go away when we focus on America first and dominate world manufacturing. That is enabled by being energy self sufficient and dominant. Inexpensive energy is the fuel for manufacturing and it is a strategic advantage to have low cost energy because it allows us to sell less expensive and superior quality manufactured goods.

As for Israel and the Middle East there are two underlying problems; Israel’s security and our or our allies’ dependence on ME petroleum. Solve Israel’s security problems through peace accords and there is no need for aid. Become energy independent and we have no significant national interests in the ME. Europe will. Other nations will. And they need to be big boys and provide for themselves.

We have no obligation to being the world’s cop. We have blown trillions on that and no problems get solved and we receive no dividends on the wasted trillions.

As for little Nikki. She’s shallow, low-IQ’d, ignorant and unimaginative. Name one major problem she is known for solving. There is none. She is the problem and needs to be dispensed as RINO trash.

12 posted on 08/21/2023 5:50:24 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (The Delay Trump’s trial, delay. Elect Trump President. Trump pardons himself. )
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"This is part of a pattern with Vivek—his foreign policies have a common theme: they make America less safe."

She's right. Looking forward to this Rama-Smarmy hemp humping communist and terrorist appeasing joke to finally exit from the scene.

14 posted on 08/21/2023 6:34:13 PM PDT by Right Wing Vegan (Conservatism's last hope, last recourse, in fact last expedient, against the libertarian hordes)
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OK, just leave the middle east to Iran and Russia. Not very smart.


15 posted on 08/21/2023 6:57:02 PM PDT by mfish13 (Elections have Consequences.)
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Stop kissing the ring!!!


16 posted on 08/21/2023 7:01:30 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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Shouldn’t be sending aid to anybody, outside of some very narrow circumstances. The American taxpayer isn’t the world’s piggybank.


20 posted on 08/21/2023 8:33:21 PM PDT by meyer (FBI = KGB for the DNC; IRS = Gestapo)
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As I noted yesterday

Israel should not get more aid than its Middle Eastern neighbors after 2028, the year that the current US aid package of $38 billion expires.A rather simplistic formula since US aid is predicated on military superiority to it's neighbors/enemies. So countries like Saudi Arabia, who pays for it's arms, comes into the equation. And unlike other countries Israel not only shares it's technology with the US, but spends it's aid dollars in the US at the expense of domestic manufacture. Still, if we only consider countries sharing a border with Israel, Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon, Ramaswamy's formula would require an increase in aid to Israel of about 670 million. And that's not including the billions we're releasing to Iran. Back to the drawing board Vivek.

US Foreign Aid by Country 2023

10 countries that receive the most U.S. foreign aid:

Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
Israel ($3.3 billion)
Jordan ($1.72 billion)
Egypt ($1.46 billion)
Iraq ($960 million)
Ethiopia ($922 million)
Yemen ($809 million)
Colombia ($800 million)
Nigeria ($793 million)
Lebanon ($790 million)

And if Vivek thinks reduction of aid to arab states will entice them toward peace with Israel he's dreaming. Another view

End U.S. Aid to Israel America’s manipulation of the Jewish state is endangering Israel and American Jews

24 posted on 08/22/2023 7:41:36 AM PDT by SJackson (In a war of ideas it is people who get killed.)
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BFLR


38 posted on 08/23/2023 1:32:10 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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Its never a good time to stop giving away US taxpayer free money.


42 posted on 08/23/2023 1:56:34 PM PDT by Mashood
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I thought Haley came across as a beyotch, not a seasoned politician. She kept yammering at Ramaswamy, when he wanted to explain. On the other hand, probably no politician would have stopped and given up their time.


43 posted on 08/24/2023 4:54:14 AM PDT by NetAddicted (MAGA2024)
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She’s a war whore, like Liz Cheney.


45 posted on 08/24/2023 5:53:25 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Eleutheria5

Your country is on the verge of making deals with the devil and you have almost no international friends.

I’m not saying America has a special bond with Israel anymore (we should), but Israel is at a crossroads right now.

True Christians pray for Israel.


55 posted on 08/24/2023 1:12:46 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Eleutheria5

Haley, Pence, Hutchinson, Christie: No to all of them


58 posted on 08/25/2023 4:50:37 AM PDT by Theodore R. ( )
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