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Ukrainian units are leaving behind their Western tanks and advancing slowly on foot after coming up against dense Russian minefields, report says
Business Insider via Yahoo ^ | July 16th, 2023 | Alia Shoaib

Posted on 07/16/2023 2:38:29 PM PDT by Mariner

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To: jdege

“The author of this has no idea how combined arms works.

Tanks are 1000m back, hull-down, firing on the enemy covering troops. Infantry is at the edge of the woods, dismounted, positioned to advance when the lanes are clear. Arty is 5km back, dropping rounds on the enemy position and smoke on the minefield.

And the sappers are on their bellies, crawling through the minefield with probes and wire cutters.”


This US Army training film doesn’t show any of that.

It has a V shaped attack formation with the tanks and IFV right behind the engineering vehicles.

even this training film is a joke since it shows a minefield ~200m deep, not many km

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ-sCT_maAQ

The older training film with Wesley Clark shows a much deeper minefield.


81 posted on 07/16/2023 6:59:34 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: eyedigress

Still nothing to do with post-21 that set you off.


82 posted on 07/16/2023 7:00:29 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: csvset

War Pigs

one of the main reasons I liked Trump was that he was not a war pig


83 posted on 07/16/2023 7:00:43 PM PDT by SisterK (it's controlled demolition)
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To: ansel12

“personal attacks by pro-Russia posters.”
I am not pro Russia.
Iam pro PEACE.
We are being lead down a very dark path.
I hope the Sunshine at the end isn’t Canned.


84 posted on 07/16/2023 7:07:16 PM PDT by Right Brigade (It was better before they voted for whats his name,this must be the New World)
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To: Right Brigade

It’s all good. At least for today, and thanks for reading my posts


85 posted on 07/16/2023 7:08:36 PM PDT by dennisw (Never attribute to incompetence-stupidity, that which is adequately explained by malice)
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To: dennisw

Good solid conservatives post here.
I read some of the “cheerleaders” posts on various subjects and I agree with them.
I just see this war from a different point of view.


86 posted on 07/16/2023 7:19:01 PM PDT by Right Brigade (It was better before they voted for whats his name,this must be the New World)
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To: ansel12

Getting tired of liberals escalating this “Incursion”.

I have family now being sent to Poland.


87 posted on 07/16/2023 7:19:24 PM PDT by eyedigress (Trump is my President!)
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To: Steven Tyler

that is certainly the case.

I’m not sure how much of it is being recovered either.

Especially the attacks South of Orikhiv, when there is new video of vehicle losses, you can usually see the hulks of previously destroyed vehicles a few hundred meters to the north.


88 posted on 07/16/2023 7:20:40 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: csvset

Forget what I said... Your home page is


89 posted on 07/16/2023 7:25:09 PM PDT by dennisw (Never attribute to incompetence-stupidity, that which is adequately explained by malice)
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To: eyedigress

Still nothing to do with post 21 which set you off for some reason.


90 posted on 07/16/2023 7:26:31 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: jdege

“Sappers on their bellies are slower, but a lot of the time they can get their job done without being noticed.”


crawling on all fours, so how does that work with minefields many kilometres deep ?

At the Orikiv front it is 15 km to the contact line.


91 posted on 07/16/2023 7:28:26 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Mariner
Don't they have any of these?


92 posted on 07/16/2023 7:45:02 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: ganeemead

Thank you for laying out the truth of the situation. I’ve stayed quiet about the Ukraine war. You have set the truth of it in color. Ukraine has been the last escape for Nazi’s since the end of WW2. It has been the hiding place, and the truth was just on the verge of being exposed. That’s why Ukraine started the war.....again.


93 posted on 07/16/2023 7:59:38 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: Reverend Wright
crawling on all fours, so how does that work with minefields many kilometres deep?
First, crawling on all fours is too conspicuous, it leaves your ass up in the air. I said "belly" and I meant "belly".

Second, minefields aren't many kilometers deep. The Russians may have layered multiple obstacles over kilometers, but the individual minefields will be hundreds of meters deep, not kilometers.

94 posted on 07/16/2023 8:47:47 PM PDT by jdege
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To: Larry Lucido
According to sources I see on FB:

"The last two of the six mine-clearing Leopard 2R vehicles donated to Ukraine by Finland have been destroyed, along with three of the four Bradleys that went in for support. The crew of the fourth Bradley surrendered together with their vehicle."

95 posted on 07/16/2023 10:24:17 PM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: Right Brigade

“unless G.I.Joe wants a go.”

3000 advance reserves going over to set up forward camps for the 300,000 rapid response force the Biden criminal cabal has forced.
Each NATO country is supposed to commit troops for that...except..Germany and the UK has already indicated they havent the troops or equipment to commit.

They’ll put them into western Ukraine which will be seen as an act of war by Russia. Oh, they’ll sneak them in at first. That’ll last for about a half a day and then it will get REAL INTERESTING REAL FAST.

Wait till the caskets start coming back from over there. This aint gonna be no camptown races like the Iraq wars.


96 posted on 07/16/2023 11:52:10 PM PDT by crz
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To: csvset

seems like it


97 posted on 07/17/2023 12:04:23 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: jdege

And to follow up your comment looking from the defense side. AT mines are intermingled with anti-personnel mines and also metal junk to simulate even more mines. The possible breaching sites are registered for fast accurate mortar and artillery fire, HE and smoke. Troops defending the minefield are dug in with designated fields of fire. A counterattack force is prepared to seal any breach of the defensive lines. SAM’s and AAA cover everything from CAS.


98 posted on 07/17/2023 8:45:37 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (Annie Savoy : The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self awareness. )
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