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To: nikos1121

Just so. The best way to succeed in negotiations is first to establish a position of strength. With Russia holding about 20% of Ukraine, they have done so. I don’t believe anyone seriously thought Russia would overtake all of Ukraine, a country almost the size of Texas, and that includes Putin. It was clear at the outset that this was the plan. When Biden decided to be the tough guy and keep the war going, the war became an artificially maintained rolling atrocity.


14 posted on 03/25/2023 4:46:53 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
I don’t believe anyone seriously thought Russia would overtake all of Ukraine, a country almost the size of Texas, and that includes Putin

If, as the Putin assumed Zelensky would flee the capitol, then yes, sending a large portion of the Russian army to take Kyiv and decapitate the Ukrainian government, made sense. Argument that sending that column was some feint, is just moronic.

The documents indicate that elements of the 76th Airborne Division and Eastern Military District were ordered to depart Belarus and reach Kyiv within 18 hours against little resistance. Russian planners also placed riot police within the division's first column. "Riot police are not suitable to lead elements for a large maneuver force in a conventional force-on-force war because they are not trained to conduct combined arms or mechanized warfare. The decision to place riot police in the lead column violates Russian (or any normal) doctrine and indicates that Russian planners did not expect significant organized Ukrainian resistance," the ISW found.

17 posted on 03/25/2023 5:45:33 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: hinckley buzzard

“””I don’t believe anyone seriously thought Russia would overtake all of Ukraine, a country almost the size of Texas, and that includes Putin.”””

That was exactly the idea, take Kyiv in 3 days, Zelensky killed by the hunter/killer teams assigned to assassinate him, and then rule the nation and mop up any scattered units over a few weeks that refused to submit to Zelensky’s replacement.

The plan was to take the government, not travel all over the country fighting every little unit or outpost or stubborn Mayor.


43 posted on 03/25/2023 8:23:41 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

So basically, they lost thousands trying to take Kiev just for fun.


44 posted on 03/25/2023 8:27:49 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: hinckley buzzard

Russia is currently holding about 15% of Ukraine. This is down from the 27% it controlled on March 15, 2022.


66 posted on 03/25/2023 9:33:09 AM PDT by Cronos
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“It was clear at the outset that this was the plan”

Nope. The plan was to decapitate Ukraine by striking at the capital and capturing the President.

A good plan if it had worked. But it didn’t due to flawed Russian logistics, planning and intelligence.


67 posted on 03/25/2023 9:35:13 AM PDT by Cronos
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