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Gen. David Petraeus: How the war in Ukraine will end
MSN---- CNN ^ | Feb 14 | Peter Bergen

Posted on 02/14/2023 4:22:43 PM PST by dennisw

The war in Ukraine is at a stalemate, but that doesn’t mean it’s not changing. General David Petraeus predicts the war will look different this year with significant offensives likely staged by the two sides.

Bergen: Who’s winning the war?

Petraeus: It is not Russia. Russia has, after all, lost the Battles of Kyiv, Sumy, Chernihiv, and Kharkiv; failed to take the rest of Ukraine’s southern coast (not even getting through Mykolaiv, much less to the major port at Odesa).

It has lost what it had gained in Kharkiv province. And it has had to withdraw its only forces west of the Dnipro River in Kherson province because the Ukrainians made the vital bridge connections to those forces impassable, took out the headquarters and logistics sites supporting those forces, and isolated them from the rest of the Russian elements east of the river.

That said, the battle lines since the withdrawal of the forces west of the Dnipro last fall have been fairly static, although Russian forces have made grinding, incremental and very costly gains in villages around Bakhmut in southeast Ukraine. And the Ukrainians are having to commit additional forces to defend the areas under pressure.

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1 posted on 02/14/2023 4:22:43 PM PST by dennisw
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Bergen: What are the lessons of the Ukraine War for the future of warfare?

Petraeus: I think we should recognize that, with a few exceptions, Ukraine is not the future of warfare. In large measure, it is what we would have seen had the Cold War turned hot in the mid-1980s – with largely Cold War weapons systems (albeit with some modernization).

We are, however, seeing some glimpses and hints of what the future of warfare might look like. We see the Ukrainian use of drones (of only modest range and capability) as aerial observers identifying Russian headquarters and other targets for the precision munitions the US has provided (which will double in range from 70-80 kilometers to 150 kilometers when the just announced US precision munitions arrive in Ukraine).

We see the impact of sophisticated, western-provided fire-and-forget shoulder-launched anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles. We have seen the impact of select use of medium-range anti-ship missiles. And we have seen use of offensive cyber capabilities, though not with enormous success, by the Russians.

Perhaps most notably, of course, we see a war taking place, for the first time, in a context that includes the widespread presence of smart phones, internet connectivity, and social media and other internet sites.

But, again, these are just hints of what the future of war between advanced powers would be. In such a conflict, the intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance systems would be incomparably more capable; precision munitions would have vastly greater range, speed and explosive power.

And there would incomparably greater numbers of vastly more capable unmanned systems (some remotely piloted, others operating according to algorithms) in every domain – not just in the air, but also at sea, sub-sea, on the ground, in outer space, and in cyberspace, and operating in swarms, not just individually!

And every intelligence and strike capability will be integrated and connected by advanced command, control, communications and computer systems.


2 posted on 02/14/2023 4:22:53 PM PST by dennisw ("You don't have to like it. You just have to do it")
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He ignores the strong potential for a negotiated conclusion, should the current Kiev regime be replaced by level headed leaders.


3 posted on 02/14/2023 4:27:52 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: dennisw

Its the new Iraq/afghanistan.


4 posted on 02/14/2023 4:28:11 PM PST by hillarys cankles
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The losers are defeated by the winners. DOH! Now I get it. 😂👍


5 posted on 02/14/2023 4:28:49 PM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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Petreus is lying as usual. The Ukrainians have nearly run out of men and roughly 30% of the entire population has fled. The Ukraine is dead but the head doesn’t know it yet.


6 posted on 02/14/2023 4:29:55 PM PST by wildcard_redneck (The Ukraine is dead, the head just doesn't know it yet.)
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putin/russia are losers every day since last February

cruel, brutal, evil losers

May they reap what they sow!


7 posted on 02/14/2023 4:33:44 PM PST by Sunsong
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Where is the ‘war god’ Mad Dog Mattis in all this ? Has he opined on the war ?


8 posted on 02/14/2023 4:35:57 PM PST by libh8er
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I agree that he’s lying. Ukraine is done. It may take some time but that country is devastated and Russia is going to take what it wants. The more we “help”, the worse things will be for Ukraine.


9 posted on 02/14/2023 4:36:27 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (“You want it one way, but it’s the other way”)
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Looks like the Russians have distracted Petraeus the Clown from dalliances with his latest tart...

What a goofy-looking Gomer...

10 posted on 02/14/2023 4:39:35 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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Out of the size of their population, they have mobilized only a small fraction of that historically mobilized in other countries on a total war basis. France kept 3 million men+ under arms continuously in 1914-18.

The limit on mobilization in their case is a lack of armaments, notably heavy weapons, and of supporting institutional infrastructure, such as cadre of officers and ncos and trainers.

Casualties are only a small factor, historically, in the size of mobilization, with few exceptions. The ones that come to mind are Germany in WW1 and 2, the Soviet Union in WW2, and Paraguay in the 19th century.


11 posted on 02/14/2023 4:47:57 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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The USSR was far more devastated, not to speak of Germany in WW2, or Korea in 1951 or North Vietnam. Being “devastated” is not a decisive factor in itself. And less so if one has rich friends.


12 posted on 02/14/2023 4:50:34 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: kiryandil

He married into a political family when he wed wife Holly. Everyone in Centcom knew he was sport screwing this “biographer” war tourist.

“Rules for thee not for me”. The unofficial motto of perfumed princes everywhere.

Kudos to his surviving being shot by his own troops but spare me the Patton-esque comparisons.

RLTW


13 posted on 02/14/2023 4:51:47 PM PST by military cop (I carry a .45....cause they don't make a .46....)
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Tough to serve under the perfumed princes.


14 posted on 02/14/2023 4:55:26 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: dennisw

War will end when Trump is elected.


15 posted on 02/14/2023 4:55:34 PM PST by chopperk ( )
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Bergen: Who's winning the war?

Petraeus: It is not Russia.

Translation: Russia

16 posted on 02/14/2023 4:59:13 PM PST by Vision (Woke is communism and it has no place in America. Election Reform Now! Obama is an evildoer.)
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Wow,....how insightful Mr P.

🙄🙄🙄🙄


17 posted on 02/14/2023 5:10:31 PM PST by Hammerhead
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All the T.V. generals have come out to claim victory for Ukraine. There must be some bad poll numbers out there for supporting this war.


18 posted on 02/14/2023 5:48:06 PM PST by McCarthysGhost (q)
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I believe everything gen betrayus says


19 posted on 02/14/2023 5:52:15 PM PST by Nashcash
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Compromised weasel stooge who’s opinion means squat


20 posted on 02/14/2023 6:20:16 PM PST by Third Person
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