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Gonzalo Lira on the future of NATO
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Posted on 02/12/2023 6:28:15 AM PST by ganeemead

Gonzalo Lira asks about the future of nato

Their next project, if they choose not to simply call it a day and go home, would almost have to involve attempting to project power across oceans.

Now, granted the US has shown some ability to do that, the biggest example is still Okinawa... What nato would be looking at would be more like the full-on invasion of the Japanese home islands that the US was still trying to work up the cajones for when the two atom bombs ended WW2.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; Russia
KEYWORDS: defenseorganization; nato; russianattacks; russianmenace; vatnik
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1 posted on 02/12/2023 6:28:15 AM PST by ganeemead
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To: ganeemead

NATO should continue without the US and without Turkey.
I would say Canada as well, but no one cares.


2 posted on 02/12/2023 6:30:54 AM PST by EEGator
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To: ganeemead

you Russian shills are obsessed over NATO, LOL

but, there would be no NATO if Russia wasn’t such a menace to every country in Europe ... can’t you see that?


3 posted on 02/12/2023 6:31:47 AM PST by canuck_conservative (12th month, no end in sight)
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To: ganeemead
Meanwhile, Lira has portrayed the Russian assault as provoked—and as “one of the most brilliant invasions in military history.” He has insisted that the invaders don’t want to harm civilians or civilian infrastructure and are in fact taking pains not to, that the Russian advance has not stalled but is in fact right on course, and that Russian domination will likely be good for Ukraine in the end.
4 posted on 02/12/2023 6:32:41 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: EEGator

Russia and Turkey (second largest army in NATO) have an accord to set up Turkey as a distribution center for gas via pipelines crossing the Black Sea.

Both of those countries will have to guard these pipelines from attack by NATO.

(NATO is code word for the US)


5 posted on 02/12/2023 6:35:48 AM PST by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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To: canuck_conservative

Your country can’t even shoot a damn blimp out of the sky without US help.

You really need to mind your own business and get out of telling US citizens what to do.

No one sees it because Russia wasn’t bothering anyone, especially Canaduh. You are sick.


6 posted on 02/12/2023 6:39:34 AM PST by dforest
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To: Chunga85

And that’s why Turkey will never leave NATO.
It’s a perfect spot for them.


7 posted on 02/12/2023 6:40:03 AM PST by EEGator
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To: dforest
Your country can’t even shoot a damn blimp out of the sky without US help.

Ouch, thats gonna leave a mark.

8 posted on 02/12/2023 6:42:47 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: ganeemead

9 posted on 02/12/2023 6:44:02 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: canuck_conservative

NO. I have no ability to see **** that isn’t there...


10 posted on 02/12/2023 6:44:26 AM PST by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: canuck_conservative

NATO is not, and never has been, about the Russian menace.

It’s all about a big nation in the middle of Europe which cannot, and must not, be allowed to act in its own interest.


11 posted on 02/12/2023 6:46:32 AM PST by Jim Noble (You have sat too long for any good you have been doing)
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To: canuck_conservative
but, there would be no NATO if Russia wasn’t such a menace to every country in Europe ... can’t you see that?

Now, in your next breath tell US how Russia is so weak that they can't take a back water country like The Ukraine. Only a devoted leftist can hold those two opposing thoughts in their head at the same time, believing both to be relevant. can't you see that?

12 posted on 02/12/2023 6:48:25 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Trump WON!!! He will win 2024!)
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To: canuck_conservative

> there would be no NATO if Russia wasn’t such a menace to every country in Europe <

Putting aside the Russian “menace” question for a moment, there will always be a NATO for these two reasons.

1. Once a bureaucracy is established, it lives on forever.
2. The United States just loves to be a big player everywhere, all the time.

Notice that neither reason has anything to do with necessity.


13 posted on 02/12/2023 6:52:11 AM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: BlackbirdSST

there’s no contradiction

fortunately for us all, Russia is now too incompetent and leaderless to conquer all of Ukraine, but they still have malicious intent, enough tools to cause lots of misery, and (as you Russian shills never cease to point out) lots of nukes in reserve

so yes, they remain an ongoing menace to all of Europe, but currently are not strong enough to defeat Ukraine


14 posted on 02/12/2023 6:56:08 AM PST by canuck_conservative (12th month, no end in sight)
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To: Travis McGee

It’s called and implausible story. If Norway was part of the plot, there was no plot.


15 posted on 02/12/2023 7:00:33 AM PST by devere
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To: Leaning Right; Jim Noble

you guys can repeat all the Russian talking points you want

BUT, if Russia wasn’t *repeatedly attacking & invading its neighboring countries*, there would be no need for NATO

that’s the basic issue ... Russia’s ongoing warmongering

NO OTHER country in Europe is attacking its neighbors ... ONLY RUSSIA

that’s the truth you can’t accept


16 posted on 02/12/2023 7:02:24 AM PST by canuck_conservative (12th month, no end in sight)
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To: canuck_conservative

Why does a foreigner like you come to an American forum and push Biden’s illegal war policy?


17 posted on 02/12/2023 7:10:07 AM PST by JonPreston
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“Why does a foreigner like you come to an American forum and push Biden’s illegal war policy?”

Or is he a foreigner, or perhaps an operative?


18 posted on 02/12/2023 7:14:09 AM PST by BobL
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To: canuck_conservative

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is a war crime. And Putin is a war criminal. I have mentioned that many times on this site. But notice that in my post #13, I said put all that aside.

There certainly was a need for NATO at one time, many decades ago. But even if that need goes away, NATO will continue to exist for the two reasons I gave. That was my point.

And as a side note, yes Putin is a war criminal. But many stupid moves made by NATO made Putin’s decisions easier for him to make. So it’s just not as simple as Russia bad, NATO good.


19 posted on 02/12/2023 7:16:45 AM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: canuck_conservative

Thanks for your opinion, Mr. Canaduh.


20 posted on 02/12/2023 7:17:42 AM PST by Levy78 (Reject modernity, embrace tradition. )
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