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Russia fumes at West's decision to send tanks to Ukraine, says red lines have been crossed
cnbc vis msn ^ | 1/25/2022 | Holly Ellyatt

Posted on 01/25/2023 12:29:21 PM PST by RomanSoldier19

Russia expressed mounting fury at the prospect of modern Western tanks being sent to Ukraine.

The Kremlin's spokesman described it as an "absurd" plan that scuppers the prospect of talks to end the war.

The Russian Embassy in Berlin called the German government's decision "extremely dangerous" and said it "takes the conflict to a new level of confrontation."

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


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To: JonPreston
If they are delivered to Kiev, Kiev will become a target. If they are driven from Poland to Lviv, Lviv will become a target. This is the escalation Biden/Germany are causing.

Yeah, because neither Kyiv nor Lviv have been targets up till now!

/mordant sarcasm

Putin has already been rocket-bombing civilian population centers all over the country.

Regards,

61 posted on 01/25/2023 1:22:17 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: ought-six
If by “escalation” you mean one side ramped up the pressure regardless of its standing vis-à-vis its foe, that is a different story. In such a case — carried to absurdity — Ukraine would be guilty of escalation if it so much as fired a single rifle round at the invading hordes, instead of just meekly surrendering.

Deserves repeating!

Regards,

62 posted on 01/25/2023 1:23:50 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: 2CAVTrooper
None of that was happening until YOUR BOI Putin started messing with the Ukraine.

Stop with the Clownish BOI stuff.

The shelling of Russian speakers in the Dunbass began after your boy Biden financed the Maidan Revolution in Ukraine in 2014. Go away and learn the material, BOI.

Civilians were shelled

HOW UKRAINE STARTED SHELLING THE DONBASS IN THE LEAD-TO RUSSIA’S INVASION OF UKRAINE

63 posted on 01/25/2023 1:26:33 PM PST by JonPreston
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To: alexander_busek
because neither Kyiv nor Lviv have been targets up till now!

correct.

64 posted on 01/25/2023 1:27:25 PM PST by JonPreston
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To: Flavious_Maximus
The war is coming to the USA. Just as the Biden puppet masters wanted. Please God, let the first obliterated territory be the District of Congo. /spit

District of Corruption
District of Contempt
District of Caligula
65 posted on 01/25/2023 1:31:22 PM PST by Old Yeller
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To: RomanSoldier19

They better do something before April 15th, because I will owe a lot in taxes.


66 posted on 01/25/2023 1:32:09 PM PST by Old Yeller
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To: JonPreston
All of these tanks must be delivered from???(Poland I assume) via rail to an assembly area in preparation for battle. Tanks on rail cars are very vulnerable these days with smart weapons and overhead surveillance platforms. This will not end up the way NATO is planning. They are foolishly diminishing their own stocks for the big one. Putin is just waiting for the time and the place to attack these systems.

I might ad, these M1A1 tanks are very sophisticated systems that require a lot of operator and gunnery training. They also require a lot of maintenance. Who will provide this maintenance and recovery operations in battle. Ukraine? I doubt it. Wait until the first US or NATO troop is captured and put on display. This is the beginning of WWIII. It will get ugly very fast.

My solution? Put all these M1A1s on the souther border and fight our own war. The Ukrainian regime is a corrupt democrat money laundering operation and it is not worth the devastation of WWIII.

67 posted on 01/25/2023 1:34:36 PM PST by mosaicwolf
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To: ought-six
Mr. Biden said that the United States would send 31 Abrams tanks, the equivalent of a Ukrainian battalion, and that Germany would follow through by contributing its own Leopard 2 tanks and freeing other allies to send their own, the equivalent of two more battalions.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/01/25/world/russia-ukraine-news

Clear enought?

68 posted on 01/25/2023 1:35:45 PM PST by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting)
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To: JonPreston

I’ve sent several of these where they not only force these men into police cars to go to war....but they are then put on the front lines....Do or die! One man had to be close to 60.


69 posted on 01/25/2023 1:44:44 PM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: qaz123

I think Russia knows exactly what’s happening and without a doubt they’re preparing for their response. It’s not going to be pretty and none of this will end well for anybody......What Putin said he would do over the years if terms weren’t met is happening now....I suspect he will do as he’s said.


70 posted on 01/25/2023 1:47:34 PM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: RomanSoldier19
So where are the nukes, Ivan? We're waiting!
71 posted on 01/25/2023 1:48:57 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: JonPreston

Yes...Putins Officials have already said they will knock them down....I saw a vio of Ukrains tanks traveling together and Russia took them all out.....burning along side of the road one after the other.


72 posted on 01/25/2023 1:51:24 PM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: JonPreston

Answer
I have no idea anymore than you do.

And why,propagandist, would you call an anti corruption plan “the walls closing in”

Just worry about your Russian conscripts being blown to bits by the new tanks. And Bradley’s. And missiles and artillery.


73 posted on 01/25/2023 1:51:44 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Lockbox

Ah, so you are using the word “escalation” in the sense that the smaller and weaker party — the party that was aggressed in the first place — is trying to gain strength to fight off the larger and stronger aggressor.

See, it helps when you define your terms so we can understand where you are coming from.

On a micro level, you would be escalating the invasion of your home and the assault on your wife if your next-door neighbor tossed you a crowbar over the fence so you could fight off the invader. I would applaud such escalation, and I bet so would your wife.


74 posted on 01/25/2023 1:59:39 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: JonPreston

“But that wouldn’t stop the Ukes from shelling Russian speaking civilians in the Donbass, would it.”

Perhaps they took a page from the Russian playbook re: Chechnya.


75 posted on 01/25/2023 2:30:52 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

I don’t give a Rat’s azz what Russia does or did in Chechnya. Neither should you.


76 posted on 01/25/2023 2:33:13 PM PST by JonPreston
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To: Sunsong
We stuck our noses in Ukraine, fomented an illegally coup and setoff a civil war. We trained and funded neo-Nazis and Ukrainian nationalists to commit genocide against the ethnic Russian population. We armed Ukraine with offensive weapons and teased NATO membership. And, we were running biolabs with deadly pathogens in them in Ukraine.

We expect Russia to put up with national security threats we sure as hell wouldn't nor should tolerate.

It's the policies of the Obama and Biden regimes that caused this war. That was the plan of Victoria Nuland and Antony Blinken, who were part of both regimes.

Enough the bullsh$t narratives from neocon dim wits that have us closer to nuclear war and WWIII than we ever were during the Cold War.

77 posted on 01/25/2023 2:47:14 PM PST by Kazan
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To: JonPreston

“I don’t give a Rat’s azz what Russia does or did in Chechnya.”

Then, obviously, you don’t care that Russia leveled Grozny in 1999-2000. because Russia levelled Grozny in 1999 - 2000. Grozny was labeled the most destroyed city on earth.

All things being equal, would you grant to Ukraine the same absence of care re: Donbas? I mean, the situations are rather parallel, when you think about it. Yet, you are in high dudgeon about Ukraine. Why is that? Is it simply because of the players involved?


78 posted on 01/25/2023 2:50:30 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: JonPreston

Go wipe Putin off your chin KremlinJon.


79 posted on 01/25/2023 2:51:41 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper (One Nation, Under Fraud Completely Visible, With Spying and Lying To All.)
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To: 2CAVTrooper

You’re a Trooper with a very Low IQ


80 posted on 01/25/2023 2:59:14 PM PST by JonPreston
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