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Call intercepts reveal Putin's army thinks the invasion is a mess
Hot Air ^ | September 28, 2022 | John Sexton

Posted on 09/28/2022 2:37:22 PM PDT by Timber Rattler

The NY Times published this report today. The intercepts in question aren’t recent but come from back in March

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Still, the content of the calls reveal just how quickly the Russian offensive fell apart. A soldier named Sergey told his mother, “No one told us we were going to war. They told us the day before we left.” Another soldier told his partner, “I didn’t know this was going to happen. They said we were going for training. These bastards didn’t tell us anything.”

The soldier’s take on the attempt to take Kyiv was just as blunt. “We can’t take Kyiv.…We just take villages, and that’s it,” one solider said. Another said, “They just want to fool people on TV, like, ‘Everything is all right; there’s no war, just a special operation.’ But in reality, it’s an actual f**king war.”

Others complained about the equipment they had to fight with: “Everything here is ancient. It’s not modern like they show on Zvezda [state TV].” And as the weeks dragged on, they also complained about severe losses. “There were 400 paratroopers. And only 38 of them survived.…Because our commanders sent soldiers to the slaughter.”

The intercepts also include descriptions of incidents that would be war crimes. Speaking of a group of civilians, Sergey told his girlfriend, “We detained them, undressed them and checked all their clothes. Then a decision had to be made whether to let them go. If we let them go, they could give away our position….So it was decided to shoot them in the forest.”

“Did you shoot them?” his girlfriend asked.

“Of course we shot them,” Sergey replied.

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And it only got worse for the Russians over the summer...
1 posted on 09/28/2022 2:37:22 PM PDT by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

I don’t think it’s nice to eavesdrop


2 posted on 09/28/2022 2:39:03 PM PDT by NWFree (Somebody has to say it 🤪)
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To: Timber Rattler

Give us this day, our daily propaganda
And forgive us our BS, as we forgive those who BS against us
And lead us not into gas-lighting
But deliver us from neocons
AMEN.


3 posted on 09/28/2022 2:39:32 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Timber Rattler

Who has the advantage in the winter?


4 posted on 09/28/2022 2:39:45 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (o)
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To: Timber Rattler

There are all sorts of militaries and among them are those that train by marching around the parade grounds and those that train by trying to approximate the actual conditions in battle.

Which is closer to recent Russian practice given the results we’ve seen?


5 posted on 09/28/2022 2:42:15 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Frostbite.

No, seriously, the Russian generals apparently forgot about Ukrainian mud in only a few decades. If that’s the case why would we assume they have remembered anything else they learned over the previous century?


6 posted on 09/28/2022 2:44:44 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: PGR88

More CIA propaganda. I thought Putin was supposed to be dead by now.


7 posted on 09/28/2022 2:45:56 PM PDT by Obadiah (Finishing is better than starting.)
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To: Timber Rattler

You should have the phone calls home from my Basic Training course...


8 posted on 09/28/2022 2:47:26 PM PDT by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: Timber Rattler
Such a mess that Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia are all about to become part of the Russian Federation.

The map doesn't lie. But, the Biden regime, globalists and neocon numbskulls do.

https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-annexation-votes-end-amid-russian-mobilisation-exodus-2022-09-26/

ZAPORIZHZHIA, Ukraine, Sept 28 (Reuters) - Moscow was poised on Wednesday to annex a swath of Ukraine, releasing what it called vote tallies showing support in four partially occupied provinces to join Russia.

9 posted on 09/28/2022 2:51:34 PM PDT by Kazan
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Who has the advantage in the winter?

The Ukrainians, on their home turf.

10 posted on 09/28/2022 2:52:12 PM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: Timber Rattler

Hey, are these Adam Schiff type recreations? I remember your NYTs there getting all exited about “reports” of Trump/Ukes phone calls. Another shovel full in the media masters feeding trough.


11 posted on 09/28/2022 2:59:47 PM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: Rurudyne

Yes, and we know they have no tourniquets, so why would we assume they are issuing extra socks, blankets, etc?


12 posted on 09/28/2022 3:01:46 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: DIRTYSECRET

not good for either one.


13 posted on 09/28/2022 3:06:50 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: Timber Rattler

14 posted on 09/28/2022 3:08:32 PM PDT by C210N (Everything will be okay in the end. If it’s not okay, it’s not the end.)
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So no Ukraine phone interceptions? Oops Ukraine has no phones in the front and has no voice since Zelensky crushed the opposition and made sure there’s no voice either.


15 posted on 09/28/2022 3:08:36 PM PDT by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: Timber Rattler

“Of course we shot them,” Sergey replied.

There are reports of Russian commanders shooting their own troops because they got wounded that the commanders just didn’t want to have to deal with wounded soldiers.


16 posted on 09/28/2022 3:09:03 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Winter has the advantage in Winter. Neither side seems prepared for that. There might be some slight advantage for troops not moving.


17 posted on 09/28/2022 3:16:28 PM PDT by Ingtar
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To: Timber Rattler
Enough Russian men continue to leave to make the trend noticeable around the world.

'Mobilization to graves' – how it affects Russian men and how to avoid it
https://youtu.be/Vc5VUEDWUkk

They know that the Russian army has made a particularly nasty name for itself.

Male genitals torn off, tortures, several people in one grave – atrocities of Russia continue
https://youtu.be/g9zPSJY9j0M

So Ukrainian resolve is hardened more every day along with the many nations that support it.

We are tired of the 'Russian world' – another settlement is liberated from the Russian occupation
https://youtu.be/VwAA7OMBzuk

So yes, the more intelligent Russian men are leaving.

'Burning tours' from Russia: how to escape the mobilisation and what countries still accept Russians
https://youtu.be/2y0uTwqXEDk

18 posted on 09/28/2022 3:27:34 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: PGR88

Because everything that shines a dim light on Russia and Putin absolutely must be propaganda. Putin is your messiah - leading a nation that you yearn to be a part of - maybe even a restoration of fully USSR status! yes!! Great Commrade!


19 posted on 09/28/2022 3:51:03 PM PDT by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists - redundant labels.)
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To: C210N

You literally describe Putin’s Russia with that - But hey - nothing like more pro-Puti man-crush propaganda (though 3/4 of it also describes the US)... thanks for making that abundantly clear.


20 posted on 09/28/2022 3:53:24 PM PDT by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists - redundant labels.)
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