The war was started by the globalists. It’s a stupid war. When the US wanted Ukraine to join NATO, that was the red line Putin said not to cross. Putin didn’t start it, but Biden/Zelensky helped start it.
The war was started by Putin.
In 2008 Georgia and Ukraine requested to join NATO.
They were refused as Germany and France thought it would antagonize Russia.
6 weeks after being refused, Georgia was invaded by Russia.
6 years later Ukraine was invaded by Russia.
It was always Ukraine who wanted to join NATO, for the same reason Estonia did, to prevent Russia invading.
The only reason Ukraine ever has any interest in joining NATO was for fear of Russia attacking them—-again—like they are now. And now, thanks to Putin, there’s a very good chance Finland will also join NATO.
You know what would have been reasonable? For Russia to leave its neighbors in peace and continue building economic ties making conflict with them costly to everyone. The ties that had built up since the fall of the USSR had done more for Russian security and all their military spending combined, and Putin flushed it all away.
“Putin’s red line”
You keep talking about Russia’s right to demand security on its borders (meaning they all have to be puppet states of Russia)..
What about Ukraine’s right to not be invaded?
Russia is like the thug who beats his wife to a pulp for not making his dinner right, then looks down on her quivering in a corner, bruised and bloody, and says to her “See what you made me do?”
NATO is a defensive alliance, so Russia is telling its neighbors “you have no right to band together to defend yourselves…” And then it is also saying “if you do, Russia will attack you, so don’t defend yourself because there’s no need…”
Ukraine is the proof that NATO is vital for anyone near Russia and as a direct result of its invasion you have Finland and Sweden joining NATO
Sweden and Finland are joining NATO so where is your stupid Russian war against them?
Putin doesn’t trust NATO though Putin isn’t trustworthy either. Putin won’t go outside of Ukraine and attack NATO members. In the end, Ukraine’s borders aren’t our problem, the southern border is, and yet some Freepers love Biden and love him sending tens of billions to Ukraine when America needs it.
NATO bombed Yugoslavia offensively, across its borders, against NATO’S charter, when Clinton was in office, on his behalf when no NATO members were attacked.
NATO did the same against Libya, crossed its borders on Obama’s behalf when Obama made unproven allegations that Gaddafi was going to attack 10k of his own people.
But fake conservative Freepers love Clinton and Obama, rejoiced when these things occurred, love empire, love the MIC, etc.
“ The war was started by the globalists”
Indeed. George Soros’s army invaded Russia, and that’s how it all began.
Ukraine has never been a member of Nato.
And secondly, Zelensky made a major peace offering to Russia in the beginning of the war and was ready to sign a treaty in order to never join Nato ! Guess Russia’s response … “We don’t care about Nato!”, they said.
Even after Sweden and Finland got the go ahead for joining Nato to protect themselves from the wrath of the new Russian KGB-inspired empire, Putin said there was no problem with that and that countries have the right to do as they please – as long they don’t attack Russia.
So let’s stop the immense BS about Russia being displeased about the theoretical possibility of Ukraine joining Nato. That propaganda line is now debunked by everyone including Putin himself !
But Ukraine didn't join NATO. NATO just reiterated its very long-standing position that no nation is inherently excluded from joining NATO, but Ukraine apparently was nowhere near actually joining. Even the Ukrainians knew that.
Additionally, a unanimous vote is required before any nation may join NATO and that process doesn't happen overnight. You also had major NATO Nations like Germany and France that were not in favor of expanding NATO to Ukraine. 10 years from now, Ukraine still may not have been a member of NATO.